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Definitely, getting rid of them pretty much requires an OS reinstall too which is incredibly annoying when it feels like I've had to waste an hour or so of my t

by mojzu 5y ago

Definitely, getting rid of them pretty much requires an OS reinstall too which is incredibly annoying when it feels like I've had to waste an hour or so of my time so that the hardware vendor could make an extra buck. I occasionally get batches to do at work and I advocate against buying from vendors that do this kind of thing (for the little good it does, since they all seem to these days)

sumthinprofound 5y ago
My first steps with a new personal computer is to boot to thumb drive, format the disk and install what I believe to be a clean copy of windows. In a business environment I've always been an advocate of staging one machine taking a drive image and using that image to clone the rest. Resolved so many issues if the end-user mucks up their machines so bad you just reflash the drive image and send them on their way.
- mojzu 5y ago
  Have the options for making and installing images on windows improved? I've looked into some a while in the past for work but they always seemed to come with enough caveats that they wouldn't quite work for our case. E.g. very few of the machines have the same hardware configuration, and outside of a few bits of common software each department has its own unique software requirements and variation within departments
  - sumthinprofound 5y ago
    I have run into that and in my experience it doesn't make sense to have dozens of different images for all the different variations. However, after getting a baseline image, one of my employees created multiple batch files (one for each department) that is run to do a silent install of department specific software.
  - nazgulsenpai 5y ago
    Yes, since Windows 8 it's improved dramatically. I've taken hard drives from a desktop that failed and booted said hard drive in a USB enclosure on a laptop (very dissimilar hardware, obviously) and after a few minutes of Updating Device Configuration, Windows boots.
  - Godel_unicode 5y ago
    To really answer this you need to separate OS image deployment from software install; put out a common base with essentially just management, security, and observability tooling in place. Then use a package management tool to roll out your LoB software. Bonus points for making that self-service so users can do it themselves. Given how many devices use out of the box drivers, combined with the amount of drivers distributed with Windows update, that part of the story has gotten much better as well.
  - lwkl 5y ago
    Yes with Windows 10 you are able to refresh the image deleting all files and software (or only software) from within the settings app. Also there are features that allow downloading the install image from Microsoft servers similar to what Apple has had for years. But this might be a enterprise customers only feature.
  - vladvasiliu 5y ago
    At work, we use SCCM to do this. You just plug the PC on the network, PXE boot, and it does its thing. You can also create a USB drive installs the same image. It then proceeds to install the third-party software via SCCM, too, so you don't need to upgrade the installation image every time a new app version is released. One caveat is that SCCM is not free, and we have a dedicated guy managing it. Not sure how much work that entails (he's not full-time), I rarely if ever touch our Windows environment (I'm running Linux on my own machine).
NelsonMinar 5y ago
I've found that the shovelware uninstalls pretty easily in a new PC, at least McAfee, Norton, and Avast. No need to reinstall the OS, just run the AV product's uninstaller and it appears to be gone. I haven't done careful forensics to see what little bits it has left behind but whatever they are don't seem harmful. Still hate the shovelware. If it were a good product I would choose to install it.

by mojzu 5y ago

sumthinprofound 5y ago

My first steps with a new personal computer is to boot to thumb drive, format the disk and install what I believe to be a clean copy of windows. In a business environment I've always been an advocate of staging one machine taking a drive image and using that image to clone the rest. Resolved so many issues if the end-user mucks up their machines so bad you just reflash the drive image and send them on their way.

mojzu 5y ago
Have the options for making and installing images on windows improved? I've looked into some a while in the past for work but they always seemed to come with enough caveats that they wouldn't quite work for our case. E.g. very few of the machines have the same hardware configuration, and outside of a few bits of common software each department has its own unique software requirements and variation within departments
- sumthinprofound 5y ago
  I have run into that and in my experience it doesn't make sense to have dozens of different images for all the different variations. However, after getting a baseline image, one of my employees created multiple batch files (one for each department) that is run to do a silent install of department specific software.
- nazgulsenpai 5y ago
  Yes, since Windows 8 it's improved dramatically. I've taken hard drives from a desktop that failed and booted said hard drive in a USB enclosure on a laptop (very dissimilar hardware, obviously) and after a few minutes of Updating Device Configuration, Windows boots.
- Godel_unicode 5y ago
  To really answer this you need to separate OS image deployment from software install; put out a common base with essentially just management, security, and observability tooling in place. Then use a package management tool to roll out your LoB software. Bonus points for making that self-service so users can do it themselves. Given how many devices use out of the box drivers, combined with the amount of drivers distributed with Windows update, that part of the story has gotten much better as well.
- lwkl 5y ago
  Yes with Windows 10 you are able to refresh the image deleting all files and software (or only software) from within the settings app. Also there are features that allow downloading the install image from Microsoft servers similar to what Apple has had for years. But this might be a enterprise customers only feature.
- vladvasiliu 5y ago
  At work, we use SCCM to do this. You just plug the PC on the network, PXE boot, and it does its thing. You can also create a USB drive installs the same image. It then proceeds to install the third-party software via SCCM, too, so you don't need to upgrade the installation image every time a new app version is released. One caveat is that SCCM is not free, and we have a dedicated guy managing it. Not sure how much work that entails (he's not full-time), I rarely if ever touch our Windows environment (I'm running Linux on my own machine).

NelsonMinar 5y ago

I've found that the shovelware uninstalls pretty easily in a new PC, at least McAfee, Norton, and Avast. No need to reinstall the OS, just run the AV product's uninstaller and it appears to be gone. I haven't done careful forensics to see what little bits it has left behind but whatever they are don't seem harmful. Still hate the shovelware. If it were a good product I would choose to install it.