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>Can i just move into your house? No, you may not. >Also, is accusation guilt? No, but it is moral justification for restricting movement, so that a trial ma

by 34679 5y ago

>Can i just move into your house? No, you may not. >Also, is accusation guilt? No, but it is moral justification for restricting movement, so that a trial may be conducted and evidence produced. >You have homeless people lining up venice beach and you think you can take care of refugees? I didn't say anything about taking care of anyone. >Not a false dichotomy Yes, it is.

_8j50 5y ago
My bad. You just wanted them to come to your country and not have the resources for badic survival and dignity and you don't care about how their movement affects others at the destination. I assumed otherwise but of course, if you want freedom without any onligations and responsibility, this would be a false dichotomy. Being in a civilized society however means taking on responsibilities in exchange for freedoms like freedom to move.
- 34679 5y ago
  >Being in a civilized society however means taking on responsibilities in exchange for freedoms like freedom to move. According to whom? I can support your freedom to travel without being in any way responsible for your welfare. Responsibility, just like freedom, lies with the individual.
  - _8j50 5y ago
    Even a hardened libertarian doesn't believe that. You need to apply critical thinking to your idea. > Responsibility, just like freedom, lies with the individual. Let reply with your own question: according to whom? You? Is that the type of government anyone has agreed to be governed by? Why don't you go start your own form of government with that principle then? To answer your question: according to people, ever since we decided living as hunter-gatherers sucked. When you live together with others, not taking care of them means hurting yourself as well. Let me pick a simple example for you: everyone pays tax for a sewage system and water mains. A town built for a smaller number of people than what it has will see people shitting outdoors and causing disease and the homeless overflow will bring back cholera which will not only affect everyone's health but also their income and safety. Another example if you somehow find a controversy in the previous: Let's say the residents if LA all moved to Miami over the summer. As a miami resident you are no longer able to use the roads or afford a place to live and all the grocery stores and restaurants are empty. So now, you are forced by others to suffer or move. Well at least you pay taxes and agreed to live there. But then you come to my country and decide to do the same, except you never paid taxes here and never agreed to follow the rules of the land but you want to displace me and cause me suffering? And you expect me to be ok with it? Come on. No stupid ideas but this is intellectual laziness at best.

by 34679 5y ago

_8j50 5y ago

My bad. You just wanted them to come to your country and not have the resources for badic survival and dignity and you don't care about how their movement affects others at the destination. I assumed otherwise but of course, if you want freedom without any onligations and responsibility, this would be a false dichotomy. Being in a civilized society however means taking on responsibilities in exchange for freedoms like freedom to move.

34679 5y ago
>Being in a civilized society however means taking on responsibilities in exchange for freedoms like freedom to move. According to whom? I can support your freedom to travel without being in any way responsible for your welfare. Responsibility, just like freedom, lies with the individual.
- _8j50 5y ago
  Even a hardened libertarian doesn't believe that. You need to apply critical thinking to your idea. > Responsibility, just like freedom, lies with the individual. Let reply with your own question: according to whom? You? Is that the type of government anyone has agreed to be governed by? Why don't you go start your own form of government with that principle then? To answer your question: according to people, ever since we decided living as hunter-gatherers sucked. When you live together with others, not taking care of them means hurting yourself as well. Let me pick a simple example for you: everyone pays tax for a sewage system and water mains. A town built for a smaller number of people than what it has will see people shitting outdoors and causing disease and the homeless overflow will bring back cholera which will not only affect everyone's health but also their income and safety. Another example if you somehow find a controversy in the previous: Let's say the residents if LA all moved to Miami over the summer. As a miami resident you are no longer able to use the roads or afford a place to live and all the grocery stores and restaurants are empty. So now, you are forced by others to suffer or move. Well at least you pay taxes and agreed to live there. But then you come to my country and decide to do the same, except you never paid taxes here and never agreed to follow the rules of the land but you want to displace me and cause me suffering? And you expect me to be ok with it? Come on. No stupid ideas but this is intellectual laziness at best.