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As opposed to in the West, where they do that through the telephone company and you don't even know about it.

BasDirks 5y ago
woodruffw 5y ago
In legal parlance, we call that a “court-ordered warrant.” The US has had a medley of surveillance scandals over the years, but none of them involved anything nearly as drastic as what’s shown in the video. Edit: drastic for regular American citizens and residents. America’s foreign surveillance is inexcusable.
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  It is not unreasonable to assume whatever the US is doing abroad, they are doing domestically - and that such activity just has not come to light as of now.
- andrewclunn 5y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2013/06/13/191226106/fisa-court-appears-to-be-rubberstamp-for-government-requests https://www.npr.org/2013/06/13/191226106/fisa-court-appears-...
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  Why would America's foreign surveillance be inexcusable?
  - asveikau 5y ago
    When the founders of the country said human beings were born with inalienable rights, do you think they meant that noncitizens are not?
    - _moof 5y ago
      Probably? The founders didn't even give American women the vote. Let's not go pretending they had some expansive notion of what the word "human" means. FWIW I agree with your basic point--rights are rights, no matter who you are--but if you try to find that idea in anything "the founders" did, you're going to be extremely disappointed.
jacquesm 5y ago
This shows a complete lack of insight into how the phone company interacts with your phone, what they can and what they can't do. The reason the guards target the phones is precisely because the phone company doesn't have access to this data. They can at best read SMS, but not whatsapp, telegram and a ton of other popular messaging apps which use strong crypto and bypass the telco in case of WiFi connectivity. Telco's see plenty, but your phone sees a whole lot more.

In legal parlance, we call that a “court-ordered warrant.” The US has had a medley of surveillance scandals over the years, but none of them involved anything nearly as drastic as what’s shown in the video. Edit: drastic for regular American citizens and residents. America’s foreign surveillance is inexcusable.

DocTomoe 5y ago
It is not unreasonable to assume whatever the US is doing abroad, they are doing domestically - and that such activity just has not come to light as of now.
andrewclunn 5y ago
https://www.npr.org/2013/06/13/191226106/fisa-court-appears-to-be-rubberstamp-for-government-requests https://www.npr.org/2013/06/13/191226106/fisa-court-appears-...
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Why would America's foreign surveillance be inexcusable?
- asveikau 5y ago
  When the founders of the country said human beings were born with inalienable rights, do you think they meant that noncitizens are not?
  - _moof 5y ago
    Probably? The founders didn't even give American women the vote. Let's not go pretending they had some expansive notion of what the word "human" means. FWIW I agree with your basic point--rights are rights, no matter who you are--but if you try to find that idea in anything "the founders" did, you're going to be extremely disappointed.

jacquesm 5y ago

This shows a complete lack of insight into how the phone company interacts with your phone, what they can and what they can't do. The reason the guards target the phones is precisely because the phone company doesn't have access to this data. They can at best read SMS, but not whatsapp, telegram and a ton of other popular messaging apps which use strong crypto and bypass the telco in case of WiFi connectivity. Telco's see plenty, but your phone sees a whole lot more.