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This could be interpreted as someone wanting to shut down ENOG without a vote, while a majority of board members are busy surviving and have more important thin

This could be interpreted as someone wanting to shut down ENOG without a vote, while a majority of board members are busy surviving and have more important things to worry about than voting on a Working Group. I don't think it is a good idea to use the war as excuse to skip a democratic voting process within the ENOG board. If ENOG has been "dead" since 2014 (as was claimed in the thread), there's no reason the termination could not wait another couple months.

tehjoker 5y ago
That was my thought reading this as well. Abandoning democratic process for such a substantial move is too hasty. Additionally, his statement may be true if the Russian government would have reason to mess with the group, but the way he put it is likely to exacerbate xenophobia against Russian citizens. Imagine if Americans had to step down because of the Iraq war. It would be best to step down without saying that if that's how he feels (or be more explicit in an anti-war stance).
- kmeisthax 5y ago
  If there was a network operators group that encompassed both America and Iraq pre-war it would make sense that you couldn't represent both sides. Furthermore, he can't necessarily be explicit in an anti-war stance, because it is illegal for Russians to acknowledge that the war even exists. Russia went hard on censorship relating to their invasion of Ukraine. And there's no particular reason why Russia wouldn't want control over NOGs - the Internet is a war-fighting domain, and denying it to your enemy is a meaningful victory.
  - dottedmag 5y ago
    NOG is a community: people who discuss things and organize events once in a while. "Control" over NOG is not very meaningful, anyone is free to leave.
fennecfoxen 5y ago
The opportunity is still open in theory, if enough of the remaining members survive, and the vote is arranged. It won’t really have anything to do with the director or vice director of the group at that point, though.

tehjoker 5y ago

That was my thought reading this as well. Abandoning democratic process for such a substantial move is too hasty. Additionally, his statement may be true if the Russian government would have reason to mess with the group, but the way he put it is likely to exacerbate xenophobia against Russian citizens. Imagine if Americans had to step down because of the Iraq war. It would be best to step down without saying that if that's how he feels (or be more explicit in an anti-war stance).

kmeisthax 5y ago
If there was a network operators group that encompassed both America and Iraq pre-war it would make sense that you couldn't represent both sides. Furthermore, he can't necessarily be explicit in an anti-war stance, because it is illegal for Russians to acknowledge that the war even exists. Russia went hard on censorship relating to their invasion of Ukraine. And there's no particular reason why Russia wouldn't want control over NOGs - the Internet is a war-fighting domain, and denying it to your enemy is a meaningful victory.
- dottedmag 5y ago
  NOG is a community: people who discuss things and organize events once in a while. "Control" over NOG is not very meaningful, anyone is free to leave.

fennecfoxen 5y ago

The opportunity is still open in theory, if enough of the remaining members survive, and the vote is arranged. It won’t really have anything to do with the director or vice director of the group at that point, though.