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> Did the media made that one also? Yes, there are transcripts[1] that make clear that the media were not being honest. Let's take the very first line of the l

> Did the media made that one also? Yes, there are transcripts[1] that make clear that the media were not being honest. Let's take the very first line of the link you've provided: > President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” He did no such thing: > THE PRESIDENT: Those people — all of those people –excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. So before he makes the "fine people on both sides" comment he makes clear - several times, in fact - that there were not only alt-left and alt-right at that event but others who were either protesting the statues or defending them that were "ordinary" people i.e. fine people. Again, how did you not know this? You are so active politically, if we take your numerous HN submissions into account, that I find it hard to believe you have missed this. [1] https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/full-transcript-of-trumps-both-sides-charlottesville-presser https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/full-transcript-of-trum...

belter 5y ago
- ifjfmfjfjf 5y ago
  Where did you get that Playboy reference? That text is from former "disgruntled" employee's book that bashes Trump. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-check-trump-had-been-accused-of-racism-by-contemporaries-prior-to-presidential-campaign-idUSL1N2MT312 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-... EDIT: You removed your misquote of Trump and now added another quote
  - belter 5y ago
    And edited to make precise...you...account...created 11 min ago ;-)
- brigandish 5y ago
  If you don't want to defend the claim you made and I responded to, that's fine, I've made my point. However, to try and shift the goalposts while smearing me isn't fine. You don't seem like the average HNer from either your post history nor your behaviour in this very thread. I'm not sure what to make of it, but please, don't continue in this vein.
  - belter 5y ago
    My original claim, and you just have to follow the thread to see it, is that multiple countries, any democracy, have their Nazi sympathizers. I provided two quotes one from an example from Croatia and another from one of the most repellent individuals ever to set foot in US politics. You decided to comment on my post history, of behaviour, but I will accept the claim I am not your normal HN:-) But hey let's keep on the direction you initiated. That Donald Trump is just a misquoted, misunderstood, unfairly portrayed in the media, fine person. It's exactly his claim.... How difficult could it be? "Take A Side, Mr. President: Nazis Or Not Nazis" https://youtu.be/Q4sCA3QFqT8 https://youtu.be/Q4sCA3QFqT8 "An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r...
    - brigandish 5y ago
      > But hey let's keep on the direction you initiated. That Donald Trump is just a misquoted, misunderstood, unfairly portrayed in the media, fine person. It's exactly his claim.... That is what is known as a straw man. You posted something that was easily disproved by video evidence. You then posted something else which was easily disproved by a transcript of the actual exchange instead of one filtered by a journalist that clearly was as interested as you are in truth. You're not interested in whether your claims are correct or not, you'll simply move on to the next one, and I'm not interested in that as I don't have an axe to grind. > You decided to comment on my post history, of behaviour, but I will accept the claim I am not your normal HN:-) Yes, because it's strange, I'd expect it of an activist on Twitter. I do hope that you're not the beginning of a change in the kind of people posting here.

belter 5y ago

ifjfmfjfjf 5y ago
Where did you get that Playboy reference? That text is from former "disgruntled" employee's book that bashes Trump. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-check-trump-had-been-accused-of-racism-by-contemporaries-prior-to-presidential-campaign-idUSL1N2MT312 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-... EDIT: You removed your misquote of Trump and now added another quote
- belter 5y ago
  And edited to make precise...you...account...created 11 min ago ;-)
brigandish 5y ago
If you don't want to defend the claim you made and I responded to, that's fine, I've made my point. However, to try and shift the goalposts while smearing me isn't fine. You don't seem like the average HNer from either your post history nor your behaviour in this very thread. I'm not sure what to make of it, but please, don't continue in this vein.
- belter 5y ago
  My original claim, and you just have to follow the thread to see it, is that multiple countries, any democracy, have their Nazi sympathizers. I provided two quotes one from an example from Croatia and another from one of the most repellent individuals ever to set foot in US politics. You decided to comment on my post history, of behaviour, but I will accept the claim I am not your normal HN:-) But hey let's keep on the direction you initiated. That Donald Trump is just a misquoted, misunderstood, unfairly portrayed in the media, fine person. It's exactly his claim.... How difficult could it be? "Take A Side, Mr. President: Nazis Or Not Nazis" https://youtu.be/Q4sCA3QFqT8 https://youtu.be/Q4sCA3QFqT8 "An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r...
  - brigandish 5y ago
    > But hey let's keep on the direction you initiated. That Donald Trump is just a misquoted, misunderstood, unfairly portrayed in the media, fine person. It's exactly his claim.... That is what is known as a straw man. You posted something that was easily disproved by video evidence. You then posted something else which was easily disproved by a transcript of the actual exchange instead of one filtered by a journalist that clearly was as interested as you are in truth. You're not interested in whether your claims are correct or not, you'll simply move on to the next one, and I'm not interested in that as I don't have an axe to grind. > You decided to comment on my post history, of behaviour, but I will accept the claim I am not your normal HN:-) Yes, because it's strange, I'd expect it of an activist on Twitter. I do hope that you're not the beginning of a change in the kind of people posting here.