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Strategic thinkers warned for years on the risks of Ukraine joining NATO

10 points by wsc981 5y ago

Comevius 5y ago
Everyone knew about Putin's geopolitical stance, how he is using The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia book as a todo list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics It was still not obvious that he would overtly invade Ukraine instead of covertly destabilizing it, which is what he is doing to the United States for example. He could've stroke that iron while it's hot, instead he did something really stupid. Now he is trying to murder as many Ukrainians as he can, and there is no other explanation for that other than that he is insane, stupid and weak. He could've built an economy worth joining instead, but he choose to chase his agenda by spreading misinformation and terror, because apparently that's all he can do.
- cinntaile 5y ago
  > Why the impatience? Maybe because he is getting old?
rurban 5y ago
Exactly, that's why they didn't were allowed to join NATO. So what's the point? They didn't, but Russian military (the lunatics who came up with the invasion idea) didn't care.
- eveningcoffee 5y ago
  The reason why Russia attacked was because Ukraine was not in NATO. The reason why Ukraine was not in NATO was because it was not possible to enter NATO after Russia annexed Crimea and started conflict in Donbas in 20214 https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm Ukraine could not join before because president of Ukraine before 2014 revolution because president Yanukovych supported neutral state policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych
r3dneck 5y ago
What about this warning: do not enrich regimes, they'll spend the money they gain developing hypersonic missiles and invading free countries. Is it so difficult ? Before doing business with those ex-comie nations they should have given guarantees they had the will to became democratic. Instead, now, every time we buy a cellphone, gas, gasoline etc, we are financing their arsenal.
- eveningcoffee 5y ago
  I think it is very fair plan and should be followed.

10 points by wsc981 5y ago

Everyone knew about Putin's geopolitical stance, how he is using The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia book as a todo list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics It was still not obvious that he would overtly invade Ukraine instead of covertly destabilizing it, which is what he is doing to the United States for example. He could've stroke that iron while it's hot, instead he did something really stupid. Now he is trying to murder as many Ukrainians as he can, and there is no other explanation for that other than that he is insane, stupid and weak. He could've built an economy worth joining instead, but he choose to chase his agenda by spreading misinformation and terror, because apparently that's all he can do.

cinntaile 5y ago
> Why the impatience? Maybe because he is getting old?

rurban 5y ago

Exactly, that's why they didn't were allowed to join NATO. So what's the point? They didn't, but Russian military (the lunatics who came up with the invasion idea) didn't care.

eveningcoffee 5y ago
The reason why Russia attacked was because Ukraine was not in NATO. The reason why Ukraine was not in NATO was because it was not possible to enter NATO after Russia annexed Crimea and started conflict in Donbas in 20214 https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_24733.htm Ukraine could not join before because president of Ukraine before 2014 revolution because president Yanukovych supported neutral state policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych

r3dneck 5y ago

What about this warning: do not enrich regimes, they'll spend the money they gain developing hypersonic missiles and invading free countries. Is it so difficult ? Before doing business with those ex-comie nations they should have given guarantees they had the will to became democratic. Instead, now, every time we buy a cellphone, gas, gasoline etc, we are financing their arsenal.

eveningcoffee 5y ago
I think it is very fair plan and should be followed.