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I can't believe anyone still brings up Trump and a "refusal" to denounce white supremacy. It seems to me that there were so many opportunities to criticise Trum

I can't believe anyone still brings up Trump and a "refusal" to denounce white supremacy. It seems to me that there were so many opportunities to criticise Trump - as there is for any president, to be fair - that I have to wonder why the media persists in undermining their own reputation with this kind of nonsense instead, but it must be because it works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

belter 5y ago
He did more than refuse... "Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides" https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-d... Did the media made that one also?
- brigandish 5y ago
  > Did the media made that one also? Yes, there are transcripts[1] that make clear that the media were not being honest. Let's take the very first line of the link you've provided: > President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” He did no such thing: > THE PRESIDENT: Those people — all of those people –excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. So before he makes the "fine people on both sides" comment he makes clear - several times, in fact - that there were not only alt-left and alt-right at that event but others who were either protesting the statues or defending them that were "ordinary" people i.e. fine people. Again, how did you not know this? You are so active politically, if we take your numerous HN submissions into account, that I find it hard to believe you have missed this. [1] https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/full-transcript-of-trumps-both-sides-charlottesville-presser https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/full-transcript-of-trum...
  - belter 5y ago
    - ifjfmfjfjf 5y ago
      Where did you get that Playboy reference? That text is from former "disgruntled" employee's book that bashes Trump. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-check-trump-had-been-accused-of-racism-by-contemporaries-prior-to-presidential-campaign-idUSL1N2MT312 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-... EDIT: You removed your misquote of Trump and now added another quote
      - belter 5y ago
        And edited to make precise...you...account...created 11 min ago ;-)
    - brigandish 5y ago
      If you don't want to defend the claim you made and I responded to, that's fine, I've made my point. However, to try and shift the goalposts while smearing me isn't fine. You don't seem like the average HNer from either your post history nor your behaviour in this very thread. I'm not sure what to make of it, but please, don't continue in this vein.
      - belter 5y ago
        My original claim, and you just have to follow the thread to see it, is that multiple countries, any democracy, have their Nazi sympathizers. I provided two quotes one from an example from Croatia and another from one of the most repellent individuals ever to set foot in US politics. You decided to comment on my post history, of behaviour, but I will accept the claim I am not your normal HN:-) But hey let's keep on the direction you initiated. That Donald Trump is just a misquoted, misunderstood, unfairly portrayed in the media, fine person. It's exactly his claim.... How difficult could it be? "Take A Side, Mr. President: Nazis Or Not Nazis" https://youtu.be/Q4sCA3QFqT8 https://youtu.be/Q4sCA3QFqT8 "An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r...

belter 5y ago

He did more than refuse... "Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People on Both Sides" https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-d... Did the media made that one also?

brigandish 5y ago
> Did the media made that one also? Yes, there are transcripts[1] that make clear that the media were not being honest. Let's take the very first line of the link you've provided: > President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,” He did no such thing: > THE PRESIDENT: Those people — all of those people –excuse me, I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. So before he makes the "fine people on both sides" comment he makes clear - several times, in fact - that there were not only alt-left and alt-right at that event but others who were either protesting the statues or defending them that were "ordinary" people i.e. fine people. Again, how did you not know this? You are so active politically, if we take your numerous HN submissions into account, that I find it hard to believe you have missed this. [1] https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/full-transcript-of-trumps-both-sides-charlottesville-presser https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/full-transcript-of-trum...
- belter 5y ago
  - ifjfmfjfjf 5y ago
    Where did you get that Playboy reference? That text is from former "disgruntled" employee's book that bashes Trump. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-check-trump-had-been-accused-of-racism-by-contemporaries-prior-to-presidential-campaign-idUSL1N2MT312 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-racism/fact-... EDIT: You removed your misquote of Trump and now added another quote
    - belter 5y ago
      And edited to make precise...you...account...created 11 min ago ;-)
  - brigandish 5y ago
    If you don't want to defend the claim you made and I responded to, that's fine, I've made my point. However, to try and shift the goalposts while smearing me isn't fine. You don't seem like the average HNer from either your post history nor your behaviour in this very thread. I'm not sure what to make of it, but please, don't continue in this vein.
    - belter 5y ago
      My original claim, and you just have to follow the thread to see it, is that multiple countries, any democracy, have their Nazi sympathizers. I provided two quotes one from an example from Croatia and another from one of the most repellent individuals ever to set foot in US politics. You decided to comment on my post history, of behaviour, but I will accept the claim I am not your normal HN:-) But hey let's keep on the direction you initiated. That Donald Trump is just a misquoted, misunderstood, unfairly portrayed in the media, fine person. It's exactly his claim.... How difficult could it be? "Take A Side, Mr. President: Nazis Or Not Nazis" https://youtu.be/Q4sCA3QFqT8 https://youtu.be/Q4sCA3QFqT8 "An Oral History of Trump's Bigotry" https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r...