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When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. It reall

When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. It really is possible to find shared goals and cooperate on achieving them with people who do not totally agree with you. Once the immediate threat is addressed, those people might be the next item on the agenda; but this is "stand together or fall separately" territory.

jka 5y ago
That may be reasonable; I think it's important to consider how any party's involvement will be remembered as well, though. What groups will be glorified? Will that affect the way that those groups behave, what they feel proud about, and how they are treated in future? There are a lot of roles required in successfully defending against an invasion -- maintenance, transport, heavy lifting, fighting, cooking; to name a few. Effective task assignment can be a resilience multiplier in the moment and also has a long-term echo.
another_why 5y ago
- pelasaco 5y ago
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  - another_why 5y ago
    > just have to read through your comments to see that you are Russia supporter. wut > I'm Jewish That's my favorite argument in internet discussions: "I'm Ukrainian and I don't support my government; I'm Russian and I hate Putin; I'm a liberal, but Trump is a great leader; I'm Jewish and..." > Antisemitism is part of Nazism. There is no Nazism without Antisemitism. Nazism is not about jews, it's about supremacy of the nazis nation, whatever nation it is, over other nations. > Is that a reason to remove the rights of the Ukraine to exist? For sure not! That's what the article says
    - pelasaco 5y ago
      I actually answered you, not the article. Yo wrote: "I don't think that supporting nazis with arms for a decade and training them to fight is a good idea and ukrainian nazis are not on my "side of the line". I have enough of them where I live, thank you very much. "Immediate threat" my ass." Which doesn't make sense, is just dismissive as the Jews there are actually fighting the War led by a Jewish president. Where is your argument now https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-against-putins-neo-nazi-claim-as-they-gear-up-for-battle/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again... ?
      - another_why 5y ago
        > I actually answered you, not the article. Yo wrote: It's hard to understand when you don't quote what you are answering > Which doesn't make sense, is just dismissive as the Jews there are actually fighting the War led by a Jewish president. Where is your argument now https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again... ? How jews fighting the Putin's invasion justifies supplying nazis with arms? Maybe it's self-explanatory for you, but i have no idea what do those people have in their heads. It's a free country, they can do what they want, i dont care
        pelasaco 5y ago
        > It's hard to understand when you don't quote what you are answering No it's not. If i want to comment the linked article, i comment directly under the article. If I want to answer you, I reply to you. That's how threaded forums work.
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it quite a lot lately. In fact it looks like you've been using HN primarily for this, which is a line at which we ban accounts. See these links for explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bimodal%20battle&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
pelasaco 5y ago
> When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. Unless who is trying to propagate this information, works together or for Russia. BTW from HN: https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-against-putins-neo-nazi-claim-as-they-gear-up-for-battle/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again...
- NonEUCitizen 5y ago
  From same publication, in Jan 1: https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-nationalists-march-in-in-honor-of-nazi-collaborator/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-national...
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jka 5y ago

That may be reasonable; I think it's important to consider how any party's involvement will be remembered as well, though. What groups will be glorified? Will that affect the way that those groups behave, what they feel proud about, and how they are treated in future? There are a lot of roles required in successfully defending against an invasion -- maintenance, transport, heavy lifting, fighting, cooking; to name a few. Effective task assignment can be a resilience multiplier in the moment and also has a long-term echo.

another_why 5y ago

pelasaco 5y ago
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- another_why 5y ago
  > just have to read through your comments to see that you are Russia supporter. wut > I'm Jewish That's my favorite argument in internet discussions: "I'm Ukrainian and I don't support my government; I'm Russian and I hate Putin; I'm a liberal, but Trump is a great leader; I'm Jewish and..." > Antisemitism is part of Nazism. There is no Nazism without Antisemitism. Nazism is not about jews, it's about supremacy of the nazis nation, whatever nation it is, over other nations. > Is that a reason to remove the rights of the Ukraine to exist? For sure not! That's what the article says
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    I actually answered you, not the article. Yo wrote: "I don't think that supporting nazis with arms for a decade and training them to fight is a good idea and ukrainian nazis are not on my "side of the line". I have enough of them where I live, thank you very much. "Immediate threat" my ass." Which doesn't make sense, is just dismissive as the Jews there are actually fighting the War led by a Jewish president. Where is your argument now https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-against-putins-neo-nazi-claim-as-they-gear-up-for-battle/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again... ?
    - another_why 5y ago
      > I actually answered you, not the article. Yo wrote: It's hard to understand when you don't quote what you are answering > Which doesn't make sense, is just dismissive as the Jews there are actually fighting the War led by a Jewish president. Where is your argument now https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again... ? How jews fighting the Putin's invasion justifies supplying nazis with arms? Maybe it's self-explanatory for you, but i have no idea what do those people have in their heads. It's a free country, they can do what they want, i dont care
      - pelasaco 5y ago
        > It's hard to understand when you don't quote what you are answering No it's not. If i want to comment the linked article, i comment directly under the article. If I want to answer you, I reply to you. That's how threaded forums work.
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've been doing it quite a lot lately. In fact it looks like you've been using HN primarily for this, which is a line at which we ban accounts. See these links for explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bimodal%20battle&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

pelasaco 5y ago

> When you're fighting an invasion of your country, its a bad time to quibble about the ideological purity of the other people on your side of the line. Unless who is trying to propagate this information, works together or for Russia. BTW from HN: https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-against-putins-neo-nazi-claim-as-they-gear-up-for-battle/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-jews-push-back-again...

NonEUCitizen 5y ago
From same publication, in Jan 1: https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-nationalists-march-in-in-honor-of-nazi-collaborator/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-national...

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