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Interesting: news[1] just came out of Russia accusing Ukraine of working on a dirty bomb. This makes the letter seem more plausible, if it really preceeds the n

Interesting: news[1] just came out of Russia accusing Ukraine of working on a dirty bomb. This makes the letter seem more plausible, if it really preceeds the news. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-without-evidence-says-ukraine-making-nuclear-dirty-bomb-2022-03-06/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-without-evidence...

terramex 5y ago
It preceeds this news, I've seen original post translated into polish two days ago. edit: here https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/64199473/translator-z-rosyjskiego-ciekawa-analiza-na-uwage-/ https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/64199473/translator-z-rosyjskiego-... and this was given as original source: https://t.me/Tsaplienko/1785 https://t.me/Tsaplienko/1785 (last edited: Mar 4 at 18:29)
- 3np 5y ago
  OP also looks to be from Mar 4, if you go to the FB post
dragonwriter 5y ago
Russia has been a accusing Ukraine of working to acquire nuclear weapons, with US assistance, for quite a while, though the specification that they intend to produce a dirty bomb may be a new twist on it.
- varispeed 5y ago
  I read about it like two weeks ago. They are desperate to find a justification for their war crimes. Given that Putin himself has been caught saying multiple lies, there is no point giving any credibility to them. Their "special operation" is not going to plan and they will be trying to use any trick to find some support for their atrocities.
  - cuteboy19 5y ago
    It is perhaps history's most justified war. (In that it has so many contradictory justifications) 1. Ukraine is run by the first Jewish Nazi president. So obviously they needed to be denazified 2. Russia does not want a NATO country on it's borders. That is why it invaded a country with four NATO borders 3. Ukraine has WMDs! 4. Ukraine is actually just a part of Russia, and the Soviet Union just messed up and drew a random border. No reason to care what the Ukrainians think
    - paganel 5y ago
      > Russia does not want a NATO country on it's borders. That is why it invaded a country with four NATO borders Not commenting on the other points but I think the general idea was to create a border state between Russia proper and said NATO countries, maybe out of the whole Ukraine with a Russian puppet as president, or out of several Ukrainian statelets. If it matters I do live in one of those NATO countries bordering Ukraine.
      - enaaem 5y ago
        I also thought the Ukraine as a neutral independent buffer state would be best for everyone. The problem is that Russia won’t allow Ukraine to be independent. It has to be a puppet state at least. There is a deleted Russian state news article describing their ambitions. This article was meant to be published after Russian victory in two days, but things obviously didn’t go as plannend. https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20... Russias hyper aggressive policy against Ukraine has bitten them in the ass. I believe a softer approach would have been better. Focus on strengthening economic and cultural ties. Have Ukraine to be Russia sympathetic country instead of a Russian controlled one.
      - timeon 5y ago
        That idea seems to be less relevant since there are Baltic states and Norway already bordering Russia. Edit: If Russia really needs buffer - it is big country, they can create it inside Russia`s border. But they do not need this buffer because Russia`s army compared to NATO is nothing - buffer would not help. But Russia has more nuclear missiles then NATO. And that is more powerful then some mythical buffer zone.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  You could see this - and possibly a false flag operation - as Russia's justification in using nuclear weapons against Ukraine because 'they did it first'.
- AlbertoGP 5y ago
  Adding to your comment, in the Munich Security Conference on 2022-02-19, Zelenskyy said: “Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFV5nw1UUNY&t=900s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFV5nw1UUNY&t=900s That “Budapest Memorandum” is this one: “Until Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, it had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile, of which Ukraine had physical but no operational control. Russia controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons through electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system, although this could not be sufficient guarantee against Ukrainian access. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.” “Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has publicly commented on the Budapest Memorandum by arguing that it provides no true guarantee of safety due to Russia's coercive power. On 19 February 2022, Zelenskyy made a speech at the Munich Security Conference in which he said «Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. ... If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.» Putin used Zelenskyy's comments as part of his claims that Ukraine could develop nuclear weapons. Critics have disputed Putin's claims. This treaty has since been violated by Russia at the outbreak of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit... This might be what some interpret as Ukraine seeking to acquire nuclear weapons in the near future.
  - dash2 5y ago
    That would be a very tendentious interpretation. Threats to revisit the treaty of 1994 - in the face of a threatened invasion which already violates that treaty - do not add up to active plans to acquire nuclear weapons.
  - stefan_ 5y ago
    This is a lovely spin. The Budapest memorandum was moot when Russia invaded in 2014. It is obviously even more so now.
- earthbee 5y ago
  Why would they need assistance? Nuclear weapons are 75 year old technology they're not difficult if you already have a nuclear industry to supply the materials.
  - giantrobot 5y ago
    For the Russian side of things it's just their "the US is the source of all our problems" narrative. The accusation is stupid on its face as the US has done a great deal to try to stop nuclear proliferation. You can argue about its motivations but not its efficacy.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Why would they need assistance? Has nothing to do with the facts, the assistance is just a way to make the same propaganda be anti-US and anti-Ukrainian.
waffleiron 5y ago
The dirty bomb thing isn't anything new, and definitely precedes this. Both google and bing have blocked all RT.com results here in Germany, duck.com luckily still lets me search for it. 2009: https://www.rt.com/news/the-price-of-mass-destruction/ https://www.rt.com/news/the-price-of-mass-destruction/ >Ukraine’s security service has arrested a group suspected of trying to sell a container of radioactive material. Officials say there was enough of the substance to create a dirty bomb, which could have posed a serious threat to the entire region. 2014: https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-nuclear-arsenal-threat-314/ https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-nuclear-arsenal-threat-314/ > While the uranium Ukraine gets from Russia for its reactors is low-enriched, reactor waste is quite enough to make a so-called dirty bomb. The country possesses manpower and know-how to do that as well as delivery vehicles for nuclear payload, which don’t have to be too sophisticated. 2015: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/311869-uranium-ukraine-nuclear-poroshenko/ https://www.rt.com/op-ed/311869-uranium-ukraine-nuclear-poro... > According to Ukraine's security forces, they have seized nuclear material from a criminal gang that was trying to sell it. The substance is said to be Uranium-238, which can be used to create a so-called 'dirty bomb' edit: Clarification for the many downvoting, this is in response to OP specifically saying "This makes the letter seem more plausible, if it really preceeds the news".
- golergka 5y ago
  Believing anything RT have ever written, especially about Ukraine is, to put it mildly, not the best strategy.
  - waffleiron 5y ago
    I am bringing this up not as facts that Ukraine is building a dirty bomb, but as a fact that Russia has been talking about the possibility of them doing so for a long time now.
  - ce4 5y ago
    I read the parent as a report of what RT used to say in the past and may do so soon again to spin some legitimation for putin's upcoming war actions.
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terramex 5y ago

It preceeds this news, I've seen original post translated into polish two days ago. edit: here https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/64199473/translator-z-rosyjskiego-ciekawa-analiza-na-uwage-/ https://www.wykop.pl/wpis/64199473/translator-z-rosyjskiego-... and this was given as original source: https://t.me/Tsaplienko/1785 https://t.me/Tsaplienko/1785 (last edited: Mar 4 at 18:29)

3np 5y ago
OP also looks to be from Mar 4, if you go to the FB post

dragonwriter 5y ago

Russia has been a accusing Ukraine of working to acquire nuclear weapons, with US assistance, for quite a while, though the specification that they intend to produce a dirty bomb may be a new twist on it.

varispeed 5y ago
I read about it like two weeks ago. They are desperate to find a justification for their war crimes. Given that Putin himself has been caught saying multiple lies, there is no point giving any credibility to them. Their "special operation" is not going to plan and they will be trying to use any trick to find some support for their atrocities.
- cuteboy19 5y ago
  It is perhaps history's most justified war. (In that it has so many contradictory justifications) 1. Ukraine is run by the first Jewish Nazi president. So obviously they needed to be denazified 2. Russia does not want a NATO country on it's borders. That is why it invaded a country with four NATO borders 3. Ukraine has WMDs! 4. Ukraine is actually just a part of Russia, and the Soviet Union just messed up and drew a random border. No reason to care what the Ukrainians think
  - paganel 5y ago
    > Russia does not want a NATO country on it's borders. That is why it invaded a country with four NATO borders Not commenting on the other points but I think the general idea was to create a border state between Russia proper and said NATO countries, maybe out of the whole Ukraine with a Russian puppet as president, or out of several Ukrainian statelets. If it matters I do live in one of those NATO countries bordering Ukraine.
    - enaaem 5y ago
      I also thought the Ukraine as a neutral independent buffer state would be best for everyone. The problem is that Russia won’t allow Ukraine to be independent. It has to be a puppet state at least. There is a deleted Russian state news article describing their ambitions. This article was meant to be published after Russian victory in two days, but things obviously didn’t go as plannend. https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20... Russias hyper aggressive policy against Ukraine has bitten them in the ass. I believe a softer approach would have been better. Focus on strengthening economic and cultural ties. Have Ukraine to be Russia sympathetic country instead of a Russian controlled one.
    - timeon 5y ago
      That idea seems to be less relevant since there are Baltic states and Norway already bordering Russia. Edit: If Russia really needs buffer - it is big country, they can create it inside Russia`s border. But they do not need this buffer because Russia`s army compared to NATO is nothing - buffer would not help. But Russia has more nuclear missiles then NATO. And that is more powerful then some mythical buffer zone.
jacquesm 5y ago
You could see this - and possibly a false flag operation - as Russia's justification in using nuclear weapons against Ukraine because 'they did it first'.
AlbertoGP 5y ago
Adding to your comment, in the Munich Security Conference on 2022-02-19, Zelenskyy said: “Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFV5nw1UUNY&t=900s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFV5nw1UUNY&t=900s That “Budapest Memorandum” is this one: “Until Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, it had the world's third-largest nuclear weapons stockpile, of which Ukraine had physical but no operational control. Russia controlled the codes needed to operate the nuclear weapons through electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system, although this could not be sufficient guarantee against Ukrainian access. Formally, these weapons were controlled by the Commonwealth of Independent States.” “Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has publicly commented on the Budapest Memorandum by arguing that it provides no true guarantee of safety due to Russia's coercive power. On 19 February 2022, Zelenskyy made a speech at the Munich Security Conference in which he said «Since 2014, Ukraine has tried three times to convene consultations with the guarantor states of the Budapest Memorandum. Three times without success. Today Ukraine will do it for the fourth time. ... If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.» Putin used Zelenskyy's comments as part of his claims that Ukraine could develop nuclear weapons. Critics have disputed Putin's claims. This treaty has since been violated by Russia at the outbreak of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit... This might be what some interpret as Ukraine seeking to acquire nuclear weapons in the near future.
- dash2 5y ago
  That would be a very tendentious interpretation. Threats to revisit the treaty of 1994 - in the face of a threatened invasion which already violates that treaty - do not add up to active plans to acquire nuclear weapons.
- stefan_ 5y ago
  This is a lovely spin. The Budapest memorandum was moot when Russia invaded in 2014. It is obviously even more so now.
earthbee 5y ago
Why would they need assistance? Nuclear weapons are 75 year old technology they're not difficult if you already have a nuclear industry to supply the materials.
- giantrobot 5y ago
  For the Russian side of things it's just their "the US is the source of all our problems" narrative. The accusation is stupid on its face as the US has done a great deal to try to stop nuclear proliferation. You can argue about its motivations but not its efficacy.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Why would they need assistance? Has nothing to do with the facts, the assistance is just a way to make the same propaganda be anti-US and anti-Ukrainian.

waffleiron 5y ago

The dirty bomb thing isn't anything new, and definitely precedes this. Both google and bing have blocked all RT.com results here in Germany, duck.com luckily still lets me search for it. 2009: https://www.rt.com/news/the-price-of-mass-destruction/ https://www.rt.com/news/the-price-of-mass-destruction/ >Ukraine’s security service has arrested a group suspected of trying to sell a container of radioactive material. Officials say there was enough of the substance to create a dirty bomb, which could have posed a serious threat to the entire region. 2014: https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-nuclear-arsenal-threat-314/ https://www.rt.com/news/ukraine-nuclear-arsenal-threat-314/ > While the uranium Ukraine gets from Russia for its reactors is low-enriched, reactor waste is quite enough to make a so-called dirty bomb. The country possesses manpower and know-how to do that as well as delivery vehicles for nuclear payload, which don’t have to be too sophisticated. 2015: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/311869-uranium-ukraine-nuclear-poroshenko/ https://www.rt.com/op-ed/311869-uranium-ukraine-nuclear-poro... > According to Ukraine's security forces, they have seized nuclear material from a criminal gang that was trying to sell it. The substance is said to be Uranium-238, which can be used to create a so-called 'dirty bomb' edit: Clarification for the many downvoting, this is in response to OP specifically saying "This makes the letter seem more plausible, if it really preceeds the news".

golergka 5y ago
Believing anything RT have ever written, especially about Ukraine is, to put it mildly, not the best strategy.
- waffleiron 5y ago
  I am bringing this up not as facts that Ukraine is building a dirty bomb, but as a fact that Russia has been talking about the possibility of them doing so for a long time now.
- ce4 5y ago
  I read the parent as a report of what RT used to say in the past and may do so soon again to spin some legitimation for putin's upcoming war actions.
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