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Should we also start spamming US phones about Yemeni kids? Perhaps send a picture titled: "Here's the kid we killed today"? Snark aside, I don't understand wha

by bgdam 5y ago

Should we also start spamming US phones about Yemeni kids? Perhaps send a picture titled: "Here's the kid we killed today"? Snark aside, I don't understand what purpose this kind of spamming serves. From reports, most Russians seem to be against this war already. What are you trying to achieve then?

peppermint_tea 5y ago
Should we also start spamming US phones about Yemeni kids? : yes I don't understand what purpose this kind of spamming serves : there is a crackdown on information in Russia, to take back your example, you know about the Yemeni kids because you are free to access this information
- joecollins8712 5y ago
- WaxedChewbacca 5y ago
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- markdestouches 5y ago
  All those random messages would do is convince a lot of those who have doubts about the war that the West is indeed waging an information war and make the official Russian sources seem more trustworthy. Honestly, I don't think you can do much in terms of changing peoples' opinions. Those with at least half a brain understand what's really going on. Those without are never going to be dissuaded from believing in whatever nonsense they believe. Saying this from within the country.
  - peppermint_tea 5y ago
    true, the heavy restriction on the free flow of information is new, people had time to form an opinion with access to different sources beforehand.
kelseyfrog 5y ago
Yes? What do you think the result would be?
ftth_finland 5y ago
> From reports, most Russians seem to be against this war already. Where did you get that from? Putin has an 70% approval rating and the war about 50%. The I don’t knows and againsts are a minority.
- mickotron 5y ago
  Yeah, those approval ratings are as reliable and accurate as the polling numbers on election day for Putin.
  - ftth_finland 5y ago
    A day before the war: Half of Russians say it would be right to use military force to keep Ukraine out of NATO https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-uk...
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    - 331c8c71 5y ago
      Thanks, thats informative. It would be even more informative to single out crimea and donbass as separate entities in the survey - the views there are probably quite peculiar.
- pelasaco 5y ago
  > Putin has an 70% approval rating and the war about 50%. Haha, sure. He would give himself 101% approval but then it "could" look fake. Vladmir is a humble man.
  - ftth_finland 5y ago
    Funny quips aside, how about some actual data: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Putin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Put...
moltar 5y ago
Not sure which reports you are referring to, but polling shows that Putin’s approval had increased to 70% after he started the war in Ukraine.
- jnellis 5y ago
  >polling shows that Putin’s approval had increased to 70% Or else!
  - moltar 5y ago
    Haha that’s funny. Hope you are right!
- concerned_user 5y ago
  Those are state-run polling agencies, there is no recent independent polls as far as I am aware.
  - ftth_finland 5y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Putin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Put...
Bancakes 5y ago
False analogy and deflection.
jansen555 5y ago
Don't waste your sms bandwidth. Americans will just treat it as spam. They can access Internet and look up for information. Yet the way they voted in the past especially Cali shows Thanos might be right.
artem247 5y ago
AnonC 5y ago
While we’re at that, let’s also start spamming Ukranians on the false promises by the NATO countries and how those countries played a part in escalating the situation to this event. Ok, I’m being sarcastic, but I agree that spamming Russians isn’t going to help. People might as well start a petition addressed to Putin on change.org, sign it with their email address and feel good about their contribution.
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tzs 5y ago
> Should we also start spamming US phones about Yemeni kids? In the US you could legally do all of these things if you wanted to comment on what is going on in Yemen and advocate for positions contrary to the US government position: blog, publish articles in magazines and newspapers, talk about it on radio and TV, hold public rallies, bulk mail newsletters, place ads in most ad supported media, print it on shirts and wear them in public, bring it up on social media, skywrite it, put it in the name of a new species you have discovered, and many more. In most cases in the US the only legal restrictions on how you could spread you message about Yemen would be content-neutral restrictions that would apply even if you were trying to spread a message that the US government agrees with. This is not the case in Russia.
- 6510 5y ago
  In the US the mechanism is privatized now. Corporations act as gate keepers. We are used to it (just like they are) to the extend that if it was allowed here on HN [for example] to discuss the [ehm] truth and speculate upon it most of us would leave. There is a good number of frustrated people who would be attracted to it who would turn a platform into a sewer. It would totally disrupt our cosy discussion about the implications of the modular sophistication of virtual sub widgets for unobtainium memristor matrixci in the ad industry. The speech restriction could be lifted on all platforms simultaneously to spread out the toxicity and perhaps there are positive results to be had if the angry mob unleashes its wrath. If you don't believe me go watch a video of the slaughter house or compare some of our war entertainment with real war footage. If you can find it of course. Its not easy to find videos of real people getting ripped apart by the advanced tools we've created for that purpose. It is one of the biggest industries in the world? Why cant we see its products in action?
keewee7 5y ago
>From reports, most Russians seem to be against this war already. What? The majority of Russians support the war. However many of them don't know the full extent of the war.
noxer 5y ago
The goal is to make someone in Russia assassinate Putin, it has become obvious by now that this is the propaganda goal of "the west". Some even open compare it to the assassination attempt(s) against Hitler. I have no clue how protected Putin actually is and whether his assassination would put someone in power who could/would end the war.
mbg721 5y ago
It's the thought "Enh, they're not free anyway, phone 'em to death. Then we're the good guys!" This war got manufactured awfully quickly.

by bgdam 5y ago

peppermint_tea 5y ago

Should we also start spamming US phones about Yemeni kids? : yes I don't understand what purpose this kind of spamming serves : there is a crackdown on information in Russia, to take back your example, you know about the Yemeni kids because you are free to access this information

joecollins8712 5y ago
WaxedChewbacca 5y ago
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markdestouches 5y ago
All those random messages would do is convince a lot of those who have doubts about the war that the West is indeed waging an information war and make the official Russian sources seem more trustworthy. Honestly, I don't think you can do much in terms of changing peoples' opinions. Those with at least half a brain understand what's really going on. Those without are never going to be dissuaded from believing in whatever nonsense they believe. Saying this from within the country.
- peppermint_tea 5y ago
  true, the heavy restriction on the free flow of information is new, people had time to form an opinion with access to different sources beforehand.

kelseyfrog 5y ago

Yes? What do you think the result would be?

ftth_finland 5y ago

> From reports, most Russians seem to be against this war already. Where did you get that from? Putin has an 70% approval rating and the war about 50%. The I don’t knows and againsts are a minority.

mickotron 5y ago
Yeah, those approval ratings are as reliable and accurate as the polling numbers on election day for Putin.
- ftth_finland 5y ago
  A day before the war: Half of Russians say it would be right to use military force to keep Ukraine out of NATO https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-ukraine-crisis-poll-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2022/02/europe/russia-uk...
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  - 331c8c71 5y ago
    Thanks, thats informative. It would be even more informative to single out crimea and donbass as separate entities in the survey - the views there are probably quite peculiar.
pelasaco 5y ago
> Putin has an 70% approval rating and the war about 50%. Haha, sure. He would give himself 101% approval but then it "could" look fake. Vladmir is a humble man.
- ftth_finland 5y ago
  Funny quips aside, how about some actual data: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Putin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Put...

moltar 5y ago

Not sure which reports you are referring to, but polling shows that Putin’s approval had increased to 70% after he started the war in Ukraine.

jnellis 5y ago
>polling shows that Putin’s approval had increased to 70% Or else!
- moltar 5y ago
  Haha that’s funny. Hope you are right!
concerned_user 5y ago
Those are state-run polling agencies, there is no recent independent polls as far as I am aware.
- ftth_finland 5y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Putin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Vladimir_Put...

Bancakes 5y ago

False analogy and deflection.

jansen555 5y ago

Don't waste your sms bandwidth. Americans will just treat it as spam. They can access Internet and look up for information. Yet the way they voted in the past especially Cali shows Thanos might be right.

artem247 5y ago

AnonC 5y ago

While we’re at that, let’s also start spamming Ukranians on the false promises by the NATO countries and how those countries played a part in escalating the situation to this event. Ok, I’m being sarcastic, but I agree that spamming Russians isn’t going to help. People might as well start a petition addressed to Putin on change.org, sign it with their email address and feel good about their contribution.

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tzs 5y ago

> Should we also start spamming US phones about Yemeni kids? In the US you could legally do all of these things if you wanted to comment on what is going on in Yemen and advocate for positions contrary to the US government position: blog, publish articles in magazines and newspapers, talk about it on radio and TV, hold public rallies, bulk mail newsletters, place ads in most ad supported media, print it on shirts and wear them in public, bring it up on social media, skywrite it, put it in the name of a new species you have discovered, and many more. In most cases in the US the only legal restrictions on how you could spread you message about Yemen would be content-neutral restrictions that would apply even if you were trying to spread a message that the US government agrees with. This is not the case in Russia.

6510 5y ago
In the US the mechanism is privatized now. Corporations act as gate keepers. We are used to it (just like they are) to the extend that if it was allowed here on HN [for example] to discuss the [ehm] truth and speculate upon it most of us would leave. There is a good number of frustrated people who would be attracted to it who would turn a platform into a sewer. It would totally disrupt our cosy discussion about the implications of the modular sophistication of virtual sub widgets for unobtainium memristor matrixci in the ad industry. The speech restriction could be lifted on all platforms simultaneously to spread out the toxicity and perhaps there are positive results to be had if the angry mob unleashes its wrath. If you don't believe me go watch a video of the slaughter house or compare some of our war entertainment with real war footage. If you can find it of course. Its not easy to find videos of real people getting ripped apart by the advanced tools we've created for that purpose. It is one of the biggest industries in the world? Why cant we see its products in action?

keewee7 5y ago

>From reports, most Russians seem to be against this war already. What? The majority of Russians support the war. However many of them don't know the full extent of the war.

noxer 5y ago

The goal is to make someone in Russia assassinate Putin, it has become obvious by now that this is the propaganda goal of "the west". Some even open compare it to the assassination attempt(s) against Hitler. I have no clue how protected Putin actually is and whether his assassination would put someone in power who could/would end the war.

mbg721 5y ago

It's the thought "Enh, they're not free anyway, phone 'em to death. Then we're the good guys!" This war got manufactured awfully quickly.