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> Spotify is not equipped to make geopolitical judgements about what is and isn't a just war or propaganda how hard it is? when only one of the 2 sides bombs c

by trhway 5y ago

> Spotify is not equipped to make geopolitical judgements about what is and isn't a just war or propaganda how hard it is? when only one of the 2 sides bombs civilians and causes millions of people to run away (as of now 1.4M, mostly women/children/elderly, have already crossed the border while many more is still running toward the border) just for the reason of ethnical difference, and thus committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Edit in response to comment below: >No one had ever mentioned Ukrainians being "discriminated" by Russians before the war well, sounds like you are completely unfamiliar with history there. I'm btw a Russian, half-Ukrainian, and your lecture here on that national issue is just fully incorrect. >This is a desperate attempt by some Ukrainians to paint a picture of Russia as being equivalent to Nazi Germany, playing the same Hitler card that Putin did to start the war. that is just Russian propaganda, and completely unsupported by any facts. >They are doing that to try to make the West feel morally obliged to act even if that means war spreads to the whole of Europe and potentially, turns into a nuclear war. that again is Russian propaganda, trying to scare the West by nukes. >Even though there is a lot of suffering happening in Ukraine the suffering has ethnical reason and thus it is genocide > and Russia is indeed bombing cities in the fight with the Ukrainian army that it Russian propaganda. Russia is bombing cities without any connection to any fight. Just look at all those aftermath videos - there is no Ukrainian tanks/etc among the destroyed buildings/etc. For example, today they shot down a pilot bombing a city and interviewed him - "They told us the city was empty", and of course he lied as it was a guy well known for his Syrian civilian bombings. He didn't even try to say anything about any military targets. On the other side there are tons of videos of Russian armor burnt in the cities. Why did they come into cities endangering the civilians?

2Gkashmiri 5y ago
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- trhway 5y ago
  > russians protecting their interests against american advances that is Russian propaganda to misdirect attention. How the genocide and ethnic cleansing solves american advances? Putin hates Ukrainians. If you listen to his speech the hate and contempt are palpable.
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    not my problem. i am not concerned what is fact and what is propaganda at this point in this war. i am talking about america causing destruction to countries in their interests of capturing the world and not caring if millions die. remember gaddafi was "painted" a tyrant and subsequently murdered because he wanted gold for his country's oil instead of american dollars and since then the country is in ruins. same for WMDs in iraq and the whole "bomb" in UN meeting nonsense. what i am saying is, these corporations do not have a problem when america does these things which they accuse russia or china of. at that time its all fine but next time at the mere allegation of something similar in an enemy country they are all like "we must resist"
- sofixa 5y ago
  > but russians protecting their interests against american advances is a problem? cool If protecting your interests needs a war, creating millions of refugees, untold destruction and who knows how many thousands of dead, you are a piece of shit that doesn't deserve to have interests, and everyone who parrots your bullshit excuses is also a piece of shit ( yes, you). Countries like Ukraine and the Baltics run towards NATO out of fear of Russian aggression ( entirely founded, as we can clearly see). Two wrongs ( Afghanistan, Iraq whatever you want to whatabout about) don't make a right.
  - 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
    you are literally listing out my reasons. thank you for that, my point stands
brabel 5y ago
> just for the reason of ethnical difference... How the hell has this suddenly become an explanation for the war (or even a thing in the first place)??? No one had ever mentioned Ukrainians being "discriminated" by Russians before the war, quite the opposite, Russian-ethnics and Ukrainians have lived peacefully in Ukraine AND Russia for generations (except for a small minority of far-right nationalists). > committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. This is a desperate attempt by some Ukrainians to paint a picture of Russia as being equivalent to Nazi Germany, playing the same Hitler card that Putin did to start the war. They are doing that to try to make the West feel morally obliged to act even if that means war spreads to the whole of Europe and potentially, turns into a nuclear war. Even though there is a lot of suffering happening in Ukraine and Russia is indeed bombing cities in the fight with the Ukrainian army, it's an absolute disgrace to compare that to a genocide, and the claim Russia is trying to ethnically cleanse Ukraine should be as strongly rejected as the claim by Russia that Ukraine is governed by people with Nazi beliefs, both being ridiculous.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > This is a desperate attempt by some Ukrainians to paint a picture of Russia as being equivalent to Nazi Germany, playing the same Hitler card that Putin did to start the war. You can't deny there's similarity in how they operate, the excuses they used for "reasons" ( that's not a country, people there are Russian) and the even flimsier excuses they used for the "provocation" (false flag operations) they're "responding" to. There's even the "foreign element we just want to get rid of"(Nazis vs Judeo-Bolsheviks). Heck, even their strategy is similar, and they even get slowed down by the same mud. The comparisons are very apt. Yes, it is a genocide to try to clean out the local population of a city through destruction to settle it with your own (Mariupol).
  - brabel 5y ago
    No, I can deny, there's no similarity at all.. There's no concentration camps. There's no gas chambers. There's no ideology of a supreme race. Nothing at all is similar. While I do agree Putin's speech was based on flimsy excuses, the actual trigger of the war was the West's refusal to accept Russian terms in their ultimatum[1], which you seem to have forgotten, which only asked one thing of Ukraine: to abandon plans to join NATO. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-...

by trhway 5y ago

2Gkashmiri 5y ago

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trhway 5y ago
> russians protecting their interests against american advances that is Russian propaganda to misdirect attention. How the genocide and ethnic cleansing solves american advances? Putin hates Ukrainians. If you listen to his speech the hate and contempt are palpable.
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  not my problem. i am not concerned what is fact and what is propaganda at this point in this war. i am talking about america causing destruction to countries in their interests of capturing the world and not caring if millions die. remember gaddafi was "painted" a tyrant and subsequently murdered because he wanted gold for his country's oil instead of american dollars and since then the country is in ruins. same for WMDs in iraq and the whole "bomb" in UN meeting nonsense. what i am saying is, these corporations do not have a problem when america does these things which they accuse russia or china of. at that time its all fine but next time at the mere allegation of something similar in an enemy country they are all like "we must resist"
sofixa 5y ago
> but russians protecting their interests against american advances is a problem? cool If protecting your interests needs a war, creating millions of refugees, untold destruction and who knows how many thousands of dead, you are a piece of shit that doesn't deserve to have interests, and everyone who parrots your bullshit excuses is also a piece of shit ( yes, you). Countries like Ukraine and the Baltics run towards NATO out of fear of Russian aggression ( entirely founded, as we can clearly see). Two wrongs ( Afghanistan, Iraq whatever you want to whatabout about) don't make a right.
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  you are literally listing out my reasons. thank you for that, my point stands

brabel 5y ago

> just for the reason of ethnical difference... How the hell has this suddenly become an explanation for the war (or even a thing in the first place)??? No one had ever mentioned Ukrainians being "discriminated" by Russians before the war, quite the opposite, Russian-ethnics and Ukrainians have lived peacefully in Ukraine AND Russia for generations (except for a small minority of far-right nationalists). > committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. This is a desperate attempt by some Ukrainians to paint a picture of Russia as being equivalent to Nazi Germany, playing the same Hitler card that Putin did to start the war. They are doing that to try to make the West feel morally obliged to act even if that means war spreads to the whole of Europe and potentially, turns into a nuclear war. Even though there is a lot of suffering happening in Ukraine and Russia is indeed bombing cities in the fight with the Ukrainian army, it's an absolute disgrace to compare that to a genocide, and the claim Russia is trying to ethnically cleanse Ukraine should be as strongly rejected as the claim by Russia that Ukraine is governed by people with Nazi beliefs, both being ridiculous.

sofixa 5y ago
> This is a desperate attempt by some Ukrainians to paint a picture of Russia as being equivalent to Nazi Germany, playing the same Hitler card that Putin did to start the war. You can't deny there's similarity in how they operate, the excuses they used for "reasons" ( that's not a country, people there are Russian) and the even flimsier excuses they used for the "provocation" (false flag operations) they're "responding" to. There's even the "foreign element we just want to get rid of"(Nazis vs Judeo-Bolsheviks). Heck, even their strategy is similar, and they even get slowed down by the same mud. The comparisons are very apt. Yes, it is a genocide to try to clean out the local population of a city through destruction to settle it with your own (Mariupol).
- brabel 5y ago
  No, I can deny, there's no similarity at all.. There's no concentration camps. There's no gas chambers. There's no ideology of a supreme race. Nothing at all is similar. While I do agree Putin's speech was based on flimsy excuses, the actual trigger of the war was the West's refusal to accept Russian terms in their ultimatum[1], which you seem to have forgotten, which only asked one thing of Ukraine: to abandon plans to join NATO. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-...