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To a quart of red wine, add an ounce of cinnamon and half an ounce of ginger; a quarter of an ounce of grains of paradise and long pepper, and half a pound of s

To a quart of red wine, add an ounce of cinnamon and half an ounce of ginger; a quarter of an ounce of grains of paradise and long pepper, and half a pound of sugar. Bruise all this, not too small, and strain the wine through a cloth bag. Geezus, half a pound of sugar? Sounds like an early recipe for coca-cola.

colechristensen 5y ago
Red wine and coke or dr pepper is pretty good. Especially to mitigate having opened the bottle yesterday.
- stickfigure 5y ago
  A lifetime ago, before the iphone, a friend and I wrote a bartender guide for the Danger Hiptop (aka Tmobile Sidekick). I hand-curated and rewrote most of the drink catalog, and that's where I learned about the Calimocho. The app was amazing. Type a few letters of some ingredients in the search bar and it filtered the list of drinks down to a subset, eg "ora bour". It even showed you what kind of glass to drink it in. Unfortunately Tmobile balked at having a 21+ app in their app store and it was never released to the public. To this day I still haven't tried a Calimocho.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    I honestly didn't know it had a name, I mean I'm not surprised, but its existence is something I acquired by absorption over time to the extent that I really don't know where it came from. Strong candidate is a German roommate forever ago, but I'm certain we never actually had them.
- toolslive 5y ago
  It's a drink for (Italian) children. I remember it from when I was a kid myself (1970s).
woodruffw 5y ago
It'd be interesting to have a reference for the kind of wine mentioned in the book: wines in antiquity were much thicker and sweeter than modern wines, and were usually diluted with water and flavored with herbs before drinking. That doesn't explain the sugar, though!
throwaway984393 5y ago
Here is Tasting History's recipe for Ipocrasse / Ippocras / Hyppocras / Hippocras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYBccRqsv6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYBccRqsv6M He actually.... doesn't use any sugar. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
whoisburbansky 5y ago
Early sugar probably wasn’t refined enough to be comparable effective sweetness-wise to modern sugar?

colechristensen 5y ago

Red wine and coke or dr pepper is pretty good. Especially to mitigate having opened the bottle yesterday.

stickfigure 5y ago
A lifetime ago, before the iphone, a friend and I wrote a bartender guide for the Danger Hiptop (aka Tmobile Sidekick). I hand-curated and rewrote most of the drink catalog, and that's where I learned about the Calimocho. The app was amazing. Type a few letters of some ingredients in the search bar and it filtered the list of drinks down to a subset, eg "ora bour". It even showed you what kind of glass to drink it in. Unfortunately Tmobile balked at having a 21+ app in their app store and it was never released to the public. To this day I still haven't tried a Calimocho.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  I honestly didn't know it had a name, I mean I'm not surprised, but its existence is something I acquired by absorption over time to the extent that I really don't know where it came from. Strong candidate is a German roommate forever ago, but I'm certain we never actually had them.
toolslive 5y ago
It's a drink for (Italian) children. I remember it from when I was a kid myself (1970s).

woodruffw 5y ago

It'd be interesting to have a reference for the kind of wine mentioned in the book: wines in antiquity were much thicker and sweeter than modern wines, and were usually diluted with water and flavored with herbs before drinking. That doesn't explain the sugar, though!

throwaway984393 5y ago

Here is Tasting History's recipe for Ipocrasse / Ippocras / Hyppocras / Hippocras: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYBccRqsv6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYBccRqsv6M He actually.... doesn't use any sugar. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

whoisburbansky 5y ago

Early sugar probably wasn’t refined enough to be comparable effective sweetness-wise to modern sugar?