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That's an instance of the prisoner's dilemma though. They can't really arrest every single person who is against the war. They can't even arrest 1% of populatio

That's an instance of the prisoner's dilemma though. They can't really arrest every single person who is against the war. They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.

kenosis 5y ago
Let's say 2 million people are on the streets protesting. What's next?
- lostmsu 5y ago
  That's easy - block highways, train tracks, etc. Anything that is used to wage the war.
- 331c8c71 5y ago
  a bit of extrene violence, then nothing. after that the police starts imprisoning active people, threatening them via families etc. belarus scenario
ilyich 5y ago
>They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that. Why can't they? In free and democratic USA 5% of the population is incarcerated.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  Building more detention facilities will take time. Hiring more people to work there might not be feasible due to dissent.
- tasuki 5y ago
  That'd be one out of twenty? Doesn't sound plausible to me. Do you have any source?
  - duckmysick 5y ago
    Maybe they meant something else. Data from the US Department of Justice for 2019: https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/document/cpus19st.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/docu... > By the end of 2019, the incarceration rate had dropped to the same rate as 1995 (810 per 100,000 adult U.S. residents). Which is about 1 in 123. > About 1 in 40 adult U.S. residents (2.5%) were under some form of correctional supervision at the end of 2019. This represented a drop from 1 in 32 (3.1%) a decade earlier. The above includes people on probation or parole.
tsol 5y ago
This is always true, and yet dictators have existed since the dawn of humanity. I don't know why people expect Russians to function like a hivemind, rather than humans that disagree and have instincts for self preservation
- lostmsu 5y ago
  Sanctions make inaction less and less attractive.
ZoomZoomZoom 5y ago
There's more efficient way to silence 1% than arrests. More efficient and permanent. Russians lived through it just a couple generations ago.
daxuak 5y ago
Let me rephrase it for you: sure, even if it's "only" 30% of the population VS the government, the regime is fucked. However, the dilema is that they _will_ arrest some percentage, so, are you willing to be in that bucket, having no idea of whether the protest will turn out to be anything? If you don't, how can you ask (a very large number of) other people to make up their mind and get fucked in your favor? People and crowds do not act as a hivemind. Humans are not built for this.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  I was in that 30% before leaving Russia permanently in 2012. Them others not joining for various reasons is the reason we are in that fucked situation in the first place. I have a word or two to say about inaction, and how it is an excuse. The writing about authoritarianism has already been on the wall by 2010. The anti-ukranian fascism turned out to be a surprise though.

That's an instance of the prisoner's dilemma though. They can't really arrest every single person who is against the war. They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that.

kenosis 5y ago

Let's say 2 million people are on the streets protesting. What's next?

lostmsu 5y ago
That's easy - block highways, train tracks, etc. Anything that is used to wage the war.
331c8c71 5y ago
a bit of extrene violence, then nothing. after that the police starts imprisoning active people, threatening them via families etc. belarus scenario

ilyich 5y ago

>They can't even arrest 1% of population - detention system can't handle that. Why can't they? In free and democratic USA 5% of the population is incarcerated.

lostmsu 5y ago
Building more detention facilities will take time. Hiring more people to work there might not be feasible due to dissent.
tasuki 5y ago
That'd be one out of twenty? Doesn't sound plausible to me. Do you have any source?
- duckmysick 5y ago
  Maybe they meant something else. Data from the US Department of Justice for 2019: https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/document/cpus19st.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/docu... > By the end of 2019, the incarceration rate had dropped to the same rate as 1995 (810 per 100,000 adult U.S. residents). Which is about 1 in 123. > About 1 in 40 adult U.S. residents (2.5%) were under some form of correctional supervision at the end of 2019. This represented a drop from 1 in 32 (3.1%) a decade earlier. The above includes people on probation or parole.

tsol 5y ago

This is always true, and yet dictators have existed since the dawn of humanity. I don't know why people expect Russians to function like a hivemind, rather than humans that disagree and have instincts for self preservation

lostmsu 5y ago
Sanctions make inaction less and less attractive.

ZoomZoomZoom 5y ago

There's more efficient way to silence 1% than arrests. More efficient and permanent. Russians lived through it just a couple generations ago.

daxuak 5y ago

Let me rephrase it for you: sure, even if it's "only" 30% of the population VS the government, the regime is fucked. However, the dilema is that they _will_ arrest some percentage, so, are you willing to be in that bucket, having no idea of whether the protest will turn out to be anything? If you don't, how can you ask (a very large number of) other people to make up their mind and get fucked in your favor? People and crowds do not act as a hivemind. Humans are not built for this.

lostmsu 5y ago
I was in that 30% before leaving Russia permanently in 2012. Them others not joining for various reasons is the reason we are in that fucked situation in the first place. I have a word or two to say about inaction, and how it is an excuse. The writing about authoritarianism has already been on the wall by 2010. The anti-ukranian fascism turned out to be a surprise though.