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Agree or not, but that is exactly the case being made by Russia. Here in the West we're led to believe the Ukrainian coup of 2014 was totally organic and sprung

by yucky 5y ago

Agree or not, but that is exactly the case being made by Russia. Here in the West we're led to believe the Ukrainian coup of 2014 was totally organic and sprung from the magic fairy dust of happiness and democracy. The Russians will tell you that was a CIA coup that installed an anti-Russian regime right on their border. This is why they took Crimea in 2014 and why we did nothing about it.

331c8c71 5y ago
spot on. russia started the war. this war is a response to steep development of ukraine-nato relations in 2021 and complete disregard of the minsk accord by kiev (suggested or sanctioned by the us).
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Agree or not, but that is exactly the case being made by Russia. It is, in between other cases about historical Russian territory and grievances against past leaders who deprived Russia of that territory. > Here in the West we're led to believe the Ukrainian coup of 2014 was totally organic and sprung from the magic fairy dust of happiness and democracy. Perhaps some tell that tale, whereas Russia’s claim is that there puppet Yanukovych came from the same mythical land. Even if the former were as much of a lie as the latter, it wouldn't excuse, much less cause of necessity, an invasion like the one taking place. > This is why they took Crimea in 2014 and why we did nothing about it. It's not, though obviously it was among the propaganda excuses. We also did not do nothing about it, though, in retrospect, it is clear we didn't do enough about it. The things we did do about it, of course, tend to figure into Russian propaganda for the current invasion, removed from their context as a direct response to the invasion, occupation, and annexation of Crimea and the less overt (than Crimea eventually became, though very similar to the first phase in Crimea) invasion of Donbas, Luhansk, and other parts of Eastern Ukraine.

by yucky 5y ago

331c8c71 5y ago

spot on. russia started the war. this war is a response to steep development of ukraine-nato relations in 2021 and complete disregard of the minsk accord by kiev (suggested or sanctioned by the us).

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Agree or not, but that is exactly the case being made by Russia. It is, in between other cases about historical Russian territory and grievances against past leaders who deprived Russia of that territory. > Here in the West we're led to believe the Ukrainian coup of 2014 was totally organic and sprung from the magic fairy dust of happiness and democracy. Perhaps some tell that tale, whereas Russia’s claim is that there puppet Yanukovych came from the same mythical land. Even if the former were as much of a lie as the latter, it wouldn't excuse, much less cause of necessity, an invasion like the one taking place. > This is why they took Crimea in 2014 and why we did nothing about it. It's not, though obviously it was among the propaganda excuses. We also did not do nothing about it, though, in retrospect, it is clear we didn't do enough about it. The things we did do about it, of course, tend to figure into Russian propaganda for the current invasion, removed from their context as a direct response to the invasion, occupation, and annexation of Crimea and the less overt (than Crimea eventually became, though very similar to the first phase in Crimea) invasion of Donbas, Luhansk, and other parts of Eastern Ukraine.