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> The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. This is precisely what leads to atrocities like Japane

> The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. This is precisely what leads to atrocities like Japanese internment camps. We are repeating dark history in real time and it's being actively cheered on by a bloodthirsty mob who have no regard for innocent civilians and kids.

ip26 5y ago
There is actually a difference here; the parent comment is a Russian refugee. The Japanese internment camps housed mostly Japanese Americans who already lived in the United States before the war and were predominantly US citizens. Refugees are human & need help, but it isn't quite the same.
- vertis 5y ago
  It's the same in some ways. Already there has been an uptick in hate towards Russians outside Russia. Also Belarusians[0]. Even if they're anti-Putin and anti-war, if they've been trying for years to change things they can't escape being Russian/Belorusian. [0]: https://twitter.com/AlinaLeonovaSF/status/1499457928562102274 https://twitter.com/AlinaLeonovaSF/status/149945792856210227...
justinpowers 5y ago
> it's being actively cheered on by a bloodthirsty mob who have no regard for innocent civilians and kids. What are you referring to here specifically? Genuinely curious. I haven’t encountered much anti-Russian sentiment (yet), I’ve only noticed anger towards Putin, his cronies, and their soldiers. As far as I can tell, most understand that the Russian people didn’t choose this despite how little they did (or could do) to stop it.
- evv555 5y ago
  In US there are several articles about public figure Russians being cancelled for refusing to speak out against Putin and anecdotes of "Russian" restaurants being boycotted vandalized. Publicly speaking out like is being demanded is dangerous and many US "Russian" businesses aren't actually Russian owned but catering to Russian speakers(including Ukrainians).
  - justinpowers 5y ago
    > Public figures Russians being cancelled for not speaking out Ehh, this is nothing compared to Japanese internment camps. And not suggestive of bloodthirst or disregard for children. > anecdotes of "Russian" restaurants being boycotted vandalized This is sad. And even sadder, completely unsurprising. But again, a few anecdotes of stupids doing stupid and hatefuls doing hateful, doesn’t qualify as a “bloodthirsty mob with no regard for innocent civilians and children”. Not to minimize the experience of those victims — I’d be furious and concerned about escalation if I were them — but the original comment suggested something much more broad-based and sinister. (Interestingly, my first reply was downvoted prior to this reply. And this isn’t the first time I’ve been downvoted for an innocuous question related to this war. And no explanation or rebuttal is ever provided. I wonder…)
    - evv555 5y ago
      >But again, a few anecdotes of stupids doing stupid and hatefuls doing hateful, doesn’t qualify as a “bloodthirsty mob with no regard for innocent civilians and children”. I just don't feel like catologing every red flag instance on here. It's a more widespread social trend. >I’d be furious and concerned about escalation if I were them — but the original comment suggested something much more broad-based and sinister. The comparison was in regards to polarizing dehumanization that's often a precursor to many bad situations. I think you're drawing conclusions from OPs statement that aren't there. The populist trend to try and deport/target innocent exchange students is definitely a trend in that direction however.
      - justinpowers 5y ago
        > I just don't feel like catologing every red flag instance on here. It's a more widespread social trend Fair enough, but since this then becomes fully anecdotal and about personal perspective I should share my own: I am seeing far far less ignorance than i’d normally expect. And certainly far less than i‘ve seen the past few years within the US. But, that said, I no longer use Facebook. And I rarely use Twitter. So…maybe that’s why. > I think you're drawing conclusions from OPs statement that aren't there. Maybe you’re right. I’ve been seeing a lot of Russian-invasion-related hyperbole on HN; I’m trying to cut through the BS. > The populist trend to try and deport/target innocent exchange students is definitely a trend in that direction however. I’m even having trouble finding reference to this online. I see that Swallwell [1] suggested this, but the same article claims it was the first time the suggestion was mentioned by anyone. And I don’t see any other relevant articles at all [2] [1]: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/swalwell-floats-expulsion-of-russian-exchange-students-over-ukraine-invasion https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/swalwell-floats-ex... [2]: https://news.google.com/search?q=%E2%80%9CExchange%20students%E2%80%9D%20russian&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen https://news.google.com/search?q=%E2%80%9CExchange%20student...
- artificial 5y ago
  It’s very similar to the Iraq war, the rhetoric “if you’re not with us you’re against us.” “if you’re not against Putin you’re pro Putin”. World wide negative sentiment against Russian people is amplified. Similar to 1914 with Germans with many anglicizing their names. It’s not like Putin respects votes. [0] https://www.newsweek.com/russian-conductor-fired-two-orchestras-failing-denounce-invasion-1683727 https://www.newsweek.com/russian-conductor-fired-two-orchest... [1] https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084205316/russian-cats-banned-international-competition https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084205316/russian-cats-banne... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharysmith/2022/03/01/10-states-have-banned-russian-vodka-a-symbolic-gesture-with-little-economic-punch/?sh=58a6e7992f9c https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharysmith/2022/03/01/10-stat...
  - justinpowers 5y ago
    Banning cats? Banning vodka? Firing Putin supporters? This is bloodthirst? This is disregard for innocent children? I must have the wrong dictionary. [edit:as far as being simply “anti-Russian”, perhaps this qualifies. I can see how it might be concerning and even foreboding. And we should keep an eye on it. But i think it’s a stretch to call it anti-Russian. At this point, it’s really just anti-war and equivalent to communal shaming and shunning. I doubt many poor Russians will be hurt by the cat/vodka ban. And they certainly wont care that a likely-wealthy Putin supporter must now look for another job.]
    - doix 5y ago
      I think it will be very interesting to see what happens when the war ends. If there are significant reparations to be paid and if the sanctions remain, I think this easily opens it up for a repeat of WWII. Similar to post WWI Germany, Russia will be fucked. Putin will eventually die (natural causes/bullet to the head) and the next guy will be a bigger nutjob that rallies the people behind him by blaming the West/Jews. I don't know what the best course of action is right now, maybe the sanactions are the optimal choice. But afterwards, I hope people remember history and what happens when you kick a country that's already fucked.
      - 5y ago

ip26 5y ago

There is actually a difference here; the parent comment is a Russian refugee. The Japanese internment camps housed mostly Japanese Americans who already lived in the United States before the war and were predominantly US citizens. Refugees are human & need help, but it isn't quite the same.

vertis 5y ago
It's the same in some ways. Already there has been an uptick in hate towards Russians outside Russia. Also Belarusians[0]. Even if they're anti-Putin and anti-war, if they've been trying for years to change things they can't escape being Russian/Belorusian. [0]: https://twitter.com/AlinaLeonovaSF/status/1499457928562102274 https://twitter.com/AlinaLeonovaSF/status/149945792856210227...

justinpowers 5y ago

> it's being actively cheered on by a bloodthirsty mob who have no regard for innocent civilians and kids. What are you referring to here specifically? Genuinely curious. I haven’t encountered much anti-Russian sentiment (yet), I’ve only noticed anger towards Putin, his cronies, and their soldiers. As far as I can tell, most understand that the Russian people didn’t choose this despite how little they did (or could do) to stop it.

evv555 5y ago
In US there are several articles about public figure Russians being cancelled for refusing to speak out against Putin and anecdotes of "Russian" restaurants being boycotted vandalized. Publicly speaking out like is being demanded is dangerous and many US "Russian" businesses aren't actually Russian owned but catering to Russian speakers(including Ukrainians).
- justinpowers 5y ago
  > Public figures Russians being cancelled for not speaking out Ehh, this is nothing compared to Japanese internment camps. And not suggestive of bloodthirst or disregard for children. > anecdotes of "Russian" restaurants being boycotted vandalized This is sad. And even sadder, completely unsurprising. But again, a few anecdotes of stupids doing stupid and hatefuls doing hateful, doesn’t qualify as a “bloodthirsty mob with no regard for innocent civilians and children”. Not to minimize the experience of those victims — I’d be furious and concerned about escalation if I were them — but the original comment suggested something much more broad-based and sinister. (Interestingly, my first reply was downvoted prior to this reply. And this isn’t the first time I’ve been downvoted for an innocuous question related to this war. And no explanation or rebuttal is ever provided. I wonder…)
  - evv555 5y ago
    >But again, a few anecdotes of stupids doing stupid and hatefuls doing hateful, doesn’t qualify as a “bloodthirsty mob with no regard for innocent civilians and children”. I just don't feel like catologing every red flag instance on here. It's a more widespread social trend. >I’d be furious and concerned about escalation if I were them — but the original comment suggested something much more broad-based and sinister. The comparison was in regards to polarizing dehumanization that's often a precursor to many bad situations. I think you're drawing conclusions from OPs statement that aren't there. The populist trend to try and deport/target innocent exchange students is definitely a trend in that direction however.
    - justinpowers 5y ago
      > I just don't feel like catologing every red flag instance on here. It's a more widespread social trend Fair enough, but since this then becomes fully anecdotal and about personal perspective I should share my own: I am seeing far far less ignorance than i’d normally expect. And certainly far less than i‘ve seen the past few years within the US. But, that said, I no longer use Facebook. And I rarely use Twitter. So…maybe that’s why. > I think you're drawing conclusions from OPs statement that aren't there. Maybe you’re right. I’ve been seeing a lot of Russian-invasion-related hyperbole on HN; I’m trying to cut through the BS. > The populist trend to try and deport/target innocent exchange students is definitely a trend in that direction however. I’m even having trouble finding reference to this online. I see that Swallwell [1] suggested this, but the same article claims it was the first time the suggestion was mentioned by anyone. And I don’t see any other relevant articles at all [2] [1]: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/swalwell-floats-expulsion-of-russian-exchange-students-over-ukraine-invasion https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/swalwell-floats-ex... [2]: https://news.google.com/search?q=%E2%80%9CExchange%20students%E2%80%9D%20russian&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen https://news.google.com/search?q=%E2%80%9CExchange%20student...
artificial 5y ago
It’s very similar to the Iraq war, the rhetoric “if you’re not with us you’re against us.” “if you’re not against Putin you’re pro Putin”. World wide negative sentiment against Russian people is amplified. Similar to 1914 with Germans with many anglicizing their names. It’s not like Putin respects votes. [0] https://www.newsweek.com/russian-conductor-fired-two-orchestras-failing-denounce-invasion-1683727 https://www.newsweek.com/russian-conductor-fired-two-orchest... [1] https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084205316/russian-cats-banned-international-competition https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084205316/russian-cats-banne... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharysmith/2022/03/01/10-states-have-banned-russian-vodka-a-symbolic-gesture-with-little-economic-punch/?sh=58a6e7992f9c https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharysmith/2022/03/01/10-stat...
- justinpowers 5y ago
  Banning cats? Banning vodka? Firing Putin supporters? This is bloodthirst? This is disregard for innocent children? I must have the wrong dictionary. [edit:as far as being simply “anti-Russian”, perhaps this qualifies. I can see how it might be concerning and even foreboding. And we should keep an eye on it. But i think it’s a stretch to call it anti-Russian. At this point, it’s really just anti-war and equivalent to communal shaming and shunning. I doubt many poor Russians will be hurt by the cat/vodka ban. And they certainly wont care that a likely-wealthy Putin supporter must now look for another job.]
  - doix 5y ago
    I think it will be very interesting to see what happens when the war ends. If there are significant reparations to be paid and if the sanctions remain, I think this easily opens it up for a repeat of WWII. Similar to post WWI Germany, Russia will be fucked. Putin will eventually die (natural causes/bullet to the head) and the next guy will be a bigger nutjob that rallies the people behind him by blaming the West/Jews. I don't know what the best course of action is right now, maybe the sanactions are the optimal choice. But afterwards, I hope people remember history and what happens when you kick a country that's already fucked.
    - 5y ago