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If he drops a nuke on Kyiv I honestly don’t know how the world will or even “should” respond. It really goes to show that nukes just shouldn’t exist- there’s n
by OmarIsmail 5y ago
If he drops a nuke on Kyiv I honestly don’t know how the world will or even “should” respond.
It really goes to show that nukes just shouldn’t exist- there’s no “counter” to them if the other side is suicidal
- hutrdvnj 5y agoHonestly, if throwing nukes in Europe, including nuclear fallout over NATO states, is not the red line, then there isn't any. If you allow Putin to throw nukes and answer with more economic sanctions, then the West is a complete joke.
- jl6 5y agoOn the red line: https://youtu.be/o861Ka9TtT4 https://youtu.be/o861Ka9TtT4
- belter 5y agoNo worries, there is the hotline: https://youtu.be/1OitCT1KT4k https://youtu.be/1OitCT1KT4k
- HstryrsrBttn 5y ago
- chakhs 5y agoPutin put a red line on Ukraine joining NATO (regardless weather he has the right to) and the west didn't care about his line drawing. So I guess in international relations, there are no lines? There's nobody to set them
- seba_dos1 5y agoThere was no serious chance of Ukraine joining NATO anytime soon. This is just an excuse for propaganda.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> Putin put a red line on Ukraine joining NATO Ukraine never joined NATO. Ukraine was never even given a membership action plan. > and the west didn't care about his line drawing. Neither did Putin; the moving red lines were about pretext, not reasoning.
- another_why 5y ago> It really goes to show that nukes just shouldn’t exist- there’s no “counter” to them if the other side is suicidal THat's the point of nukes. Even if your economy and army suck, you still can be sure that no one will try to go through your borders to get some
- chockchocschoir 5y agoIf the point of nukes is "And then everybody dies", then that sounds like a pretty good argument for that we need to disarm all the nukes everywhere, no one should be allowed to have them.
- dehrmann 5y agoJust look at North Korea.
- another_why 5y agoNorth Korea is a bit different in terms of resources and borders than Russia and still, no one wants to mess with Kim(though i'm pretty sure their rockets will be shot before entering the atmosphere)
- throwaway6734 5y agoI think that would be enough to unify China/India/everyone else against Russia followed by the cracking of Russia into separate countries
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- OmarIsmail 5y agoAre there natural “fault” lines for Russia to split into?
- number6 5y agoJust draw lines like in Africa. This will ensure decades of turmoil
- yorwba 5y agoEthnic Russians are in the minority in some places https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Percentage_of_Russians_by_region.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Percentage_of_Russia... so some people might try to secede and set up a new nation state. Well, it's been tried before in Chechnya and in the end Russian troops reconquered the territory. But if the Russian military appears sufficiently weak, separatists might try again.
- ed_balls 5y agonukes is the best things that happened and the reason why there is not world wars anymore. You can make an argument that Izrael should give 3 or 4 warheads to Iran. It would de-escalate the proxy wars.
- forum_ghost 5y agoWhy would nukes de-escalate proxy wars? There have been several proxy wars between USSR and USA during the Cold War.
- rurp 5y agoThere aren't world wars any more because the next one will likely be the last. Some decades of relative peace is a pretty poor return from something that will likely end humanity at some point. Nukes have been around for less than a century, a blink of an eye in historical terms, and have already come close to obliterating the world multiple times. It only takes a single war to undue millennia of progress.
- HstryrsrBttn 5y ago
- daenz 5y agoI am admittedly not even close to an expert to what's going on over there, but my understanding is that Ukraine and its people are very close to the heart of Russia. That makes me think that dropping a nuke people who you consider your brothers is out of the question.
- lawn 5y agoThis is true. Unfortunately, Putin doesn't seem to care.
- lamontcg 5y agoPutin isn't the only person in Russia. We need to stop thinking of nations as this one dimensional cult of personality of their leader. I think Putin would have a very difficult time getting his generals to agree to nuking Kyiv. That's the kind of order which leads to coups.
- vmception 5y agoEnough of his advisors and generals are already afraid of him They just don’t know how much support they have The default penalty for a slightly different perspective is 15 years in prison The expected penalty is falling out of a first floor window Everyone is surrounded by people vying for power that will double cross anyone to imprison their direct competitors Its a prisoners dilemma that allows Putin to use his consolidated power unabated
- hutrdvnj 5y ago> Its a prisoners dilemma that allows Putin to use his consolidated power unabated Except if you would assassinate Putin.
- Normille 5y ago>I am admittedly not even close to an expert to what's going on over there... Don't let that stop you from weighing in with your opinions. It doesn't deter the other eleventy billion people pontificating about this crisis in somewhere they hadn't heard of til a fortnight ago.
- slaymaker1907 5y agoSadly, I think even tactical nukes leads to runaway nuclear war. If Russia nukes Kyiv, NATO/the US respond with a conventional invasion of Russia that leads to larger nuclear escalation as Russia feels threatened. That gets the US to use nukes which destroys the world.
- jansen555 5y agoShort answer: Ukraine surrenders. Long answer: Millions dead. People here no idea what is Putin thinking. He is hell bent to get Ukraine. When Russia did that 70 years ago, they don't mind 20mils to reduce Hitler's men to women child or old. Ukraine is far weaker than Nazi Germany. Plus, Putin can sponsor Iran and NK with massive nukes upgrade. He can also arm your average plane hijackers with that too. Zelensky surrenders will save many of us who are non-Ukrainian. The war in Ukraine will also stop. A couple of decades later, Ukraine can regain independence when there is a regime change in Russia. Putin not going to live forever but Ukraine can. I see so many people cheering for Zelensky are just ensuring death sentences for more civilians in Ukraine and also future terrorism-on-steroid victims. You all have gratifying emotional response to cheer for Zelensky, but logically to surrender is better outcome here even though extremely hard to do. Just go read Russian warfare doctrine. Never they do a short war. It is always war on attrition unlike American "mission accomplished" short war doctrine. There is no point talling ahypothetical fantasy not existing. We all know Western countries are reluctant to use nukes while Russia always will (read their doctrine and military training). Russia has bigger land and more obscure than western counterparts. In EVERY multiverse of nukes warfare, Russia always come out ahead (yes pyrrhic victory but still wins).