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A friend of the family will absolutely refuse to eat chicken on the bone. When my wife was visiting recently, the grocery store was out of boneless chicken piec

A friend of the family will absolutely refuse to eat chicken on the bone. When my wife was visiting recently, the grocery store was out of boneless chicken pieces, so she bought bone-in thighs instead. Our friend was horrified until my wife said she was planning on deboning them. Very strange mindset. I grew up eating chicken on the bone, and it was just understood that you eat around the gristly bits. I guess eating nothing but nuggets and tenders warps your sense of what food is.

allisdust 5y ago
It's because a vast majority of modern meat eaters don't ever get it into their heads (thanks to the neat packaging) that they are eating a once living being which has a similar body structure to theirs. The grossing out is purely subconscious thought about this reality. Of course, for those that do enjoy even the cringy bits, this thought is pushed even further deep down. There is not much difference between closing the eyes and eating what ever is kept in the mouth purely relying on sense of taste and opening the eyes and eating a living thing when the sense of taste is dominating everything else.
- telchior 5y ago
  Eh, I dunno about that. If I, say, flip over a chicken thigh and eat the kidney that's nestled on the back side (which can be found there depending on butchering method), seeing that organ inevitably makes me think of where it was, and what its function was, in the living creature. Without having done the butchering myself -- I've seen my meal walking around a couple hours before eating it, and thought about the living animal while I was eating its dead body. That's not really a thought that's "pushed down". I seriously doubt the farmers I'm eating with, who actually are killing the animal and taking it apart, have any difficulty at all with the facts of what they're doing. (Of course, on the other end, people who work in commercial-scale meat processing plants do sometimes have issues with it, but that's a very different environment.) There is an argument that we should feel disgusted, that there should be a flinching away or buried horror to eating meat, but should does not always result in is or does.
  - atweiden 5y ago
    Farming is a way for folks who work with their hands to achieve some degree of self-sovereignty and freedom — laudable goals. Unfortunately, this is often accomplished through gross ethical violations. All we can do is educate consumers about the benefits of a whole food plant-based (WFPB) diet. I challenge anyone to watch both The Dominion [1] and Forks Over Knives [2], and not walk away from the experience at least semi-curious about WFPB. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtnlwqEii2I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtnlwqEii2I
telchior 5y ago
I've now been taught to rip right into the gristly bits. That cartilage cap on the end of a chicken leg is nice and crunchy. The tips of chicken wings are great when they're crisped. But yeah, I was also taught to kind of navigate around those. The weird thing is, my mom was from Pennsylvania German culture and had been raised to eat all kinds of off cuts. So in theory, I should have learned from her. I guess my family got caught up in some kind of wider American zeitgeist about food (probably the same one that foisted Red Delicious apples and white eggs on us).
lopis 5y ago
After 7 years being vegan, I've learned that most people actually dislike the idea of eating sentient beings, but years of mental dissonance and conditioning trained them to be fine with eating meat and meat products, so long they don't resemble the able.
- qazpot 5y ago
  > I've learned that most people actually dislike the idea of eating sentient beings Sentient being is a very flimsy and arbitrary definition. To me veganism is just another attempt to be on a high horse of morality and look down upon those who dont follow your values as evil, basically a kind christianity.

allisdust 5y ago

It's because a vast majority of modern meat eaters don't ever get it into their heads (thanks to the neat packaging) that they are eating a once living being which has a similar body structure to theirs. The grossing out is purely subconscious thought about this reality. Of course, for those that do enjoy even the cringy bits, this thought is pushed even further deep down. There is not much difference between closing the eyes and eating what ever is kept in the mouth purely relying on sense of taste and opening the eyes and eating a living thing when the sense of taste is dominating everything else.

telchior 5y ago
Eh, I dunno about that. If I, say, flip over a chicken thigh and eat the kidney that's nestled on the back side (which can be found there depending on butchering method), seeing that organ inevitably makes me think of where it was, and what its function was, in the living creature. Without having done the butchering myself -- I've seen my meal walking around a couple hours before eating it, and thought about the living animal while I was eating its dead body. That's not really a thought that's "pushed down". I seriously doubt the farmers I'm eating with, who actually are killing the animal and taking it apart, have any difficulty at all with the facts of what they're doing. (Of course, on the other end, people who work in commercial-scale meat processing plants do sometimes have issues with it, but that's a very different environment.) There is an argument that we should feel disgusted, that there should be a flinching away or buried horror to eating meat, but should does not always result in is or does.
- atweiden 5y ago
  Farming is a way for folks who work with their hands to achieve some degree of self-sovereignty and freedom — laudable goals. Unfortunately, this is often accomplished through gross ethical violations. All we can do is educate consumers about the benefits of a whole food plant-based (WFPB) diet. I challenge anyone to watch both The Dominion [1] and Forks Over Knives [2], and not walk away from the experience at least semi-curious about WFPB. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtnlwqEii2I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtnlwqEii2I

telchior 5y ago

I've now been taught to rip right into the gristly bits. That cartilage cap on the end of a chicken leg is nice and crunchy. The tips of chicken wings are great when they're crisped. But yeah, I was also taught to kind of navigate around those. The weird thing is, my mom was from Pennsylvania German culture and had been raised to eat all kinds of off cuts. So in theory, I should have learned from her. I guess my family got caught up in some kind of wider American zeitgeist about food (probably the same one that foisted Red Delicious apples and white eggs on us).

lopis 5y ago

After 7 years being vegan, I've learned that most people actually dislike the idea of eating sentient beings, but years of mental dissonance and conditioning trained them to be fine with eating meat and meat products, so long they don't resemble the able.

qazpot 5y ago
> I've learned that most people actually dislike the idea of eating sentient beings Sentient being is a very flimsy and arbitrary definition. To me veganism is just another attempt to be on a high horse of morality and look down upon those who dont follow your values as evil, basically a kind christianity.