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Americans can change government during election every few years if they don't like it. Russians can't. That's why the only way is 'the average Joes need to go o

Americans can change government during election every few years if they don't like it. Russians can't. That's why the only way is 'the average Joes need to go out to the streets and bring Putin down'.

akrymski 5y ago
Except you get 3-15 years in jail for protesting in Russia.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  There are only so many jails, temporary detention facilities, and judges to give the verdicts.
  - akrymski 5y ago
    Tell that to Stalin
    - lostmsu 5y ago
      In his times there were no easy ways to organize masses of people due to lack of efficient decentralized means of communication.
      - akrymski 5y ago
        Social media is mostly banned. Posting anything online against the war is a 15 year jail sentence.
        lostmsu 5y ago
        You have a solution to this problem 2 posts up in the chain.
- nerkicacy 5y ago
  You could get shot in the head during Euromaidan[1] demonstrations in Ukraine (2013-2014). And they were able to remove Viktor Yanukovych from office. Many other countries escaped from Russian influance thanks to mass demonstration (Poland, East Germany, ex USSR nations). It is not easy, but there is not other way. Only Russian can dethrone Putin, no one else. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
  - akrymski 5y ago
    Yanukovich had far less support and had opposition. Ukraine's military presence was a fraction of Russia's. Already more Russians have been arrested in protests so far this week than in Maidan, but unless millions rise up it's impossible to remove Putin. When you shoot at a king and you miss you only solidify his position. Furthermore Maidan had assistance from the US. No such thing exists in Russia.
- risyachka 5y ago
  Go watch how people go with bare hands to protest russian forces literally this minute. And yes, they don't risk 3-15 years of jail. They have hundreds of times higher chance to die. But they don't use it as an excuse.
  - akrymski 5y ago
    There is a very small number of protesters. We'd need a million people to rise up in Moscow alone to make a difference. Putin has too much support among his voters atm. And the iron curtain only solidifies his propaganda machine.
    - risyachka 5y ago
      >> There is a very small number of protesters. You sure? Or just speculate to support your point?
      - akrymski 5y ago
        I follow russian anti-war channels where people share videos of protestors. Numbers are very small I'm afraid (more cops than protestors).
        risyachka 5y ago
        You should join some groups in viber/telegram of people that actually live there, and see for yourself. The only small numbers are russian army that wants to take a 44 mil country with weapons, cities, etc by their demotivated 150k troops that don't have the slightest clue how to fight.
        akrymski 5y ago
        I'm Russian and yes I am a member of the telegram groups you mention.

akrymski 5y ago

Except you get 3-15 years in jail for protesting in Russia.

lostmsu 5y ago
There are only so many jails, temporary detention facilities, and judges to give the verdicts.
- akrymski 5y ago
  Tell that to Stalin
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    In his times there were no easy ways to organize masses of people due to lack of efficient decentralized means of communication.
    - akrymski 5y ago
      Social media is mostly banned. Posting anything online against the war is a 15 year jail sentence.
      - lostmsu 5y ago
        You have a solution to this problem 2 posts up in the chain.
nerkicacy 5y ago
You could get shot in the head during Euromaidan[1] demonstrations in Ukraine (2013-2014). And they were able to remove Viktor Yanukovych from office. Many other countries escaped from Russian influance thanks to mass demonstration (Poland, East Germany, ex USSR nations). It is not easy, but there is not other way. Only Russian can dethrone Putin, no one else. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
- akrymski 5y ago
  Yanukovich had far less support and had opposition. Ukraine's military presence was a fraction of Russia's. Already more Russians have been arrested in protests so far this week than in Maidan, but unless millions rise up it's impossible to remove Putin. When you shoot at a king and you miss you only solidify his position. Furthermore Maidan had assistance from the US. No such thing exists in Russia.
risyachka 5y ago
Go watch how people go with bare hands to protest russian forces literally this minute. And yes, they don't risk 3-15 years of jail. They have hundreds of times higher chance to die. But they don't use it as an excuse.
- akrymski 5y ago
  There is a very small number of protesters. We'd need a million people to rise up in Moscow alone to make a difference. Putin has too much support among his voters atm. And the iron curtain only solidifies his propaganda machine.
  - risyachka 5y ago
    >> There is a very small number of protesters. You sure? Or just speculate to support your point?
    - akrymski 5y ago
      I follow russian anti-war channels where people share videos of protestors. Numbers are very small I'm afraid (more cops than protestors).
      - risyachka 5y ago
        You should join some groups in viber/telegram of people that actually live there, and see for yourself. The only small numbers are russian army that wants to take a 44 mil country with weapons, cities, etc by their demotivated 150k troops that don't have the slightest clue how to fight.
        akrymski 5y ago
        I'm Russian and yes I am a member of the telegram groups you mention.