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> Wrong question. If Russians have a choice, why not Ukrainians? Ask the Russians who are bombing them and preventing them from leaving. Russia has already br

> Wrong question. If Russians have a choice, why not Ukrainians? Ask the Russians who are bombing them and preventing them from leaving. Russia has already broken the cease-fire meant to evacuate civilians. Or ask the Russians who started the war. Ask the Russians carrying out their leadership's orders. Russians are the ones taking away Ukrainians' choices.

croes 5y ago
Their government prevents them leaving too if they are male. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/25/russia-invasion-ukraine-bans-male-citizens-leaving/6936471001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/25/russia-i... And that people on the outside are helpful was proven in World War II were many germans fled.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > And that people on the outside are helpful was proven in World War II were many germans fled. Ah yes so effective. Only 40 million killed.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    So you would have been in favor of punishing german jews (like Einstein) for leaving nazi germany? They were german citiciens after all, so they were all 100% responsible for the war and holocaust? It is a complex world and oversimplifying solutions rarely help.
331c8c71 5y ago
> Russia has already broken the cease-fire meant to evacuate civilians. Russians are claiming the contrary. https://tass.com/society/1417395 https://tass.com/society/1417395
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Of course they are. It's the Ukrainian Nazi-Jews killing civilians, not the people who invaded their country and are currently levelling it...
  - 331c8c71 5y ago
    The ukranian army benefits from the human shield. The russian don't since they can't attack without causing civilian deaths (and the associated backlash). But I guess you believe the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can.
    - trhway 5y ago
      You're repeating Russian propaganda that is straight from the German Nazi playbook. "If you don't defend your cities we wouldn't have to kill your civilians there." >the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can the Russians are indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian residential areas, including using prohibited cluster and vacuum munitions. When it comes to eating, the Russians are marauding stores for food and alcohol as Russian military supply is broken and stolen in typical Russian fashion.
      - 331c8c71 5y ago
        I don't know what nazi propaganda was. The narrative of the russian officials is like the ukranian army places its heavy units in residential areas which makes them difficult to attack without causing collateral damage. Cluster likely, vacuum unlikely. They are not covered by geneva convention and I don't think Russia signed no-use treaties for them (it doesn't make these munitions less horrible). https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-oldvideo-notrussianinvasion-idUSL1N2V42M5 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-oldvideo-notrussia...
        trhway 5y ago
        >I don't know what nazi propaganda was. without knowing of a minimum of related history, you're still feeling like you cam meaningfully comment. >The narrative of the russian officials is like the ukranian army places its heavy units in residential areas which makes them difficult to attack without causing collateral damage. You feel necessary to repeat Russian propaganda again. According to that Russia propaganda the Soviet defenders of Stalingrad are guilty of Stalingrad destruction not German Nazi. Anyway, if Ukrainians are hiding heavy units in residential areas when why all this tremendous amount of videos of the widespread residential destruction by Russian bombings contain no Ukrainian weaponry? Showing destroyed Ukrainian tank which was hidden in the children sandbox would be a great propaganda scoop for Russians, yet somehow they still haven't managed to show anything like this. On the other side there is huge number of Russian tanks, armor carriers burnt on the city streets. Why those Russians were in the city? It is very reasonable to suspect that in those cases the Russians have been using the cities as human shield. Tons of videos like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pBMdUWhws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pBMdUWhws , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge07_whd1v0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge07_whd1v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPbavvcP38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPbavvcP38 >Cluster likely, vacuum unlikely. again, you either repeat propaganda or more likely talking what you don't know about. Cluster - the "spines" of the Uragan and "Smerch" cluster missile in the attacked areas is a clear evidence, like here for example https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1497205591814684678?s=20&t=U3QDYTLqZ_DCBF0FsYo0Rw https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1497205591814684678?s=... Vacuum - in the linked video the explosion is pretty characteristic of vacuum munition https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H6Hj5VoZN_k https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H6Hj5VoZN_k . And there is a number or reports of Russian TOS-1 "Buratino" - vacuum munition missile launcher, and that weapon "shines", ie. extremely damaging in cities, not open field.

croes 5y ago

Their government prevents them leaving too if they are male. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/25/russia-invasion-ukraine-bans-male-citizens-leaving/6936471001/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/25/russia-i... And that people on the outside are helpful was proven in World War II were many germans fled.

Mikeb85 5y ago
> And that people on the outside are helpful was proven in World War II were many germans fled. Ah yes so effective. Only 40 million killed.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  So you would have been in favor of punishing german jews (like Einstein) for leaving nazi germany? They were german citiciens after all, so they were all 100% responsible for the war and holocaust? It is a complex world and oversimplifying solutions rarely help.

331c8c71 5y ago

> Russia has already broken the cease-fire meant to evacuate civilians. Russians are claiming the contrary. https://tass.com/society/1417395 https://tass.com/society/1417395

Mikeb85 5y ago
Of course they are. It's the Ukrainian Nazi-Jews killing civilians, not the people who invaded their country and are currently levelling it...
- 331c8c71 5y ago
  The ukranian army benefits from the human shield. The russian don't since they can't attack without causing civilian deaths (and the associated backlash). But I guess you believe the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can.
  - trhway 5y ago
    You're repeating Russian propaganda that is straight from the German Nazi playbook. "If you don't defend your cities we wouldn't have to kill your civilians there." >the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can the Russians are indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian residential areas, including using prohibited cluster and vacuum munitions. When it comes to eating, the Russians are marauding stores for food and alcohol as Russian military supply is broken and stolen in typical Russian fashion.
    - 331c8c71 5y ago
      I don't know what nazi propaganda was. The narrative of the russian officials is like the ukranian army places its heavy units in residential areas which makes them difficult to attack without causing collateral damage. Cluster likely, vacuum unlikely. They are not covered by geneva convention and I don't think Russia signed no-use treaties for them (it doesn't make these munitions less horrible). https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-oldvideo-notrussianinvasion-idUSL1N2V42M5 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-oldvideo-notrussia...
      - trhway 5y ago
        >I don't know what nazi propaganda was. without knowing of a minimum of related history, you're still feeling like you cam meaningfully comment. >The narrative of the russian officials is like the ukranian army places its heavy units in residential areas which makes them difficult to attack without causing collateral damage. You feel necessary to repeat Russian propaganda again. According to that Russia propaganda the Soviet defenders of Stalingrad are guilty of Stalingrad destruction not German Nazi. Anyway, if Ukrainians are hiding heavy units in residential areas when why all this tremendous amount of videos of the widespread residential destruction by Russian bombings contain no Ukrainian weaponry? Showing destroyed Ukrainian tank which was hidden in the children sandbox would be a great propaganda scoop for Russians, yet somehow they still haven't managed to show anything like this. On the other side there is huge number of Russian tanks, armor carriers burnt on the city streets. Why those Russians were in the city? It is very reasonable to suspect that in those cases the Russians have been using the cities as human shield. Tons of videos like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pBMdUWhws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-pBMdUWhws , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge07_whd1v0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge07_whd1v0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPbavvcP38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khPbavvcP38 >Cluster likely, vacuum unlikely. again, you either repeat propaganda or more likely talking what you don't know about. Cluster - the "spines" of the Uragan and "Smerch" cluster missile in the attacked areas is a clear evidence, like here for example https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1497205591814684678?s=20&t=U3QDYTLqZ_DCBF0FsYo0Rw https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1497205591814684678?s=... Vacuum - in the linked video the explosion is pretty characteristic of vacuum munition https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H6Hj5VoZN_k https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H6Hj5VoZN_k . And there is a number or reports of Russian TOS-1 "Buratino" - vacuum munition missile launcher, and that weapon "shines", ie. extremely damaging in cities, not open field.