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plague. war. famine. welcome to end of 'end of history.'

by sremani 5y ago

sAbakumoff 5y ago
Exactly! Covid-19 was the first one, it was literally “given a crown”. The last one to be nuclear winter.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  there is a lot of fear mongering about nuclear holocaust wrt NATO joining the war etc., but this is incredibly far fetched even in a worst case scenario[1]. I don't say the nuclear threat is nil, but it's also not as bad as war-hawks pondering escalation scenarios or the media makes it out to be. What do you think would happen to Putins daughters in London, to the family members of oligarchs, to anyone who carries the smell (shame) of a past support of that regime. Even enemies of the West will think twice and have no choice supporting the force that is stronger. (whether that's good or bad or if they like it or not) anyway nobody knows anything about any of this even the ones who are supposed to be experts in it. so certainly don't take my word for it but do question it when they make it clean cut. [1] assume RU does launch nukes without sabotage on their systems before, and 1 or 2 cities will be lost to nuclear holocaust. There will be immediate containment of many of the missiles not fulfilling their objective. This is a lot messier than the academic idea of a neat escalation scenario that ends in total annihilation of the human race including a nuclear winter.
  - sAbakumoff 5y ago
    >> What do you think would happen to Putins daughters in London, I think he does not give a fig about anyone anymore
marginalia_nu 5y ago
More like 'welcome to history'. There have always been periods of peace and prosperity, sometimes hundreds of years long. Those living through these have always thought they were the exception. They have always been wrong.
- gboss 5y ago
  The OP I’m pretty sure is being sarcastic and referring to this obnoxious book by Francis Fukuyama: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history He had this absurd premise that because the Soviet Union collapsed and free trade was surging every place everywhere would coalesce to a boring democracy.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    they did say "the end of 'end of history'" so maybe there is more to untangle than the postmodern idea of what Fukuyama was having his night-terrors about. I fear it's even more "meta" and also a reference to this old Churchill quote about war: > "Now this is not the end of end of history. It is not even the beginning of the end of end of history. But it is, perhaps, the end of the end of the beginning."
TheGigaChad 5y ago

plague. war. famine. welcome to end of 'end of history.'

sAbakumoff 5y ago

Exactly! Covid-19 was the first one, it was literally “given a crown”. The last one to be nuclear winter.

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
there is a lot of fear mongering about nuclear holocaust wrt NATO joining the war etc., but this is incredibly far fetched even in a worst case scenario[1]. I don't say the nuclear threat is nil, but it's also not as bad as war-hawks pondering escalation scenarios or the media makes it out to be. What do you think would happen to Putins daughters in London, to the family members of oligarchs, to anyone who carries the smell (shame) of a past support of that regime. Even enemies of the West will think twice and have no choice supporting the force that is stronger. (whether that's good or bad or if they like it or not) anyway nobody knows anything about any of this even the ones who are supposed to be experts in it. so certainly don't take my word for it but do question it when they make it clean cut. [1] assume RU does launch nukes without sabotage on their systems before, and 1 or 2 cities will be lost to nuclear holocaust. There will be immediate containment of many of the missiles not fulfilling their objective. This is a lot messier than the academic idea of a neat escalation scenario that ends in total annihilation of the human race including a nuclear winter.
- sAbakumoff 5y ago
  >> What do you think would happen to Putins daughters in London, I think he does not give a fig about anyone anymore

marginalia_nu 5y ago

More like 'welcome to history'. There have always been periods of peace and prosperity, sometimes hundreds of years long. Those living through these have always thought they were the exception. They have always been wrong.

gboss 5y ago
The OP I’m pretty sure is being sarcastic and referring to this obnoxious book by Francis Fukuyama: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history He had this absurd premise that because the Soviet Union collapsed and free trade was surging every place everywhere would coalesce to a boring democracy.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  they did say "the end of 'end of history'" so maybe there is more to untangle than the postmodern idea of what Fukuyama was having his night-terrors about. I fear it's even more "meta" and also a reference to this old Churchill quote about war: > "Now this is not the end of end of history. It is not even the beginning of the end of end of history. But it is, perhaps, the end of the end of the beginning."

TheGigaChad 5y ago