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This is how free speech dies.

lenkite 5y ago
With Thunderous Applause.
ecf 5y ago
It’s been less than a single ~~generation~~ human lifespan since WW2, stop pretending like our species has transcended simply because we can send some 0s and 1s across the world. There is war. People are dying, and you’re here commenting about free speech and your lack of access to 0s and 1s. Edit: My usage of the term “generation” was pointed out to be wrong
- scottlawson 5y ago
  Um it's been four generations since WWII
  - ecf 5y ago
    2022-1945 = 77 Average lifespan in my country = 78.79 years Seems like it’s one generation to me.
    - selfhoster11 5y ago
      A generation is usually counted as somewhere between 20 and 25 years. As in, enough time for an infant to grow into an adult and then have their own children.
    - throwaway2214 5y ago
      2022-1945 = 77 people give birth around age of 25 1: the adults in 1945 2: their babies became parents in 1970 3: their babies became parents in 1995 4: the babies of the parents in 1995 are now adults and are giving birth to the next generation there have been 4 generations since ww2
- deleted 5y ago
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JohnHaugeland 5y ago
Free speech has nothing to do with whether a website chose to join an international sanction. The actual censorship is Putin's 15 year punishment for news he doesn't like. I wish enough of HN understood free speech at a level to pass a test in 8th grade that we would embarrass one another when getting things this wrong. It really hampers our ability to function in the real world, the way we reject any constraint involving text and then say "but muh free speech" This isn't intelligent or correct
- rasengan 5y ago
  Oh, I thought it was the blanket ban on Russian news by the EU.
  - JohnHaugeland 5y ago
    That's also not censorship. Censorship is when *an individual is told by a government that they may not publish*. A government telling another government that they can't broadcast in the first government's space is something really quite different.
    - imwillofficial 5y ago
      When governments + corporations team up, your lines of distinction are meaningless.
    - JMS2021 5y ago
      Correct. Elon Musk has said he will ignore EU law and not block Russian internet on StarLink.
veganhouseDJ 5y ago
This is such an insane war on "misinformation". I would give anything to go back to usenet and that everything would be taken with a grain of salt because it is usenet. That is never going to happen though. We are society of automatons now who have mostly outsourced their thinking to the mob/group mind of social media. If you read Le Bon or Freud's work on group psychology it may as well be talking about social media in 2022. "The feelings of the group are always very simple and very exaggerated. So that the group knows neither doubt nor uncertainty. It goes directly to extremes, if a suspicion is expressed, it is instantly changed into an incontrovertible certainty."
qqq111 5y ago

With Thunderous Applause.

ecf 5y ago

It’s been less than a single ~~generation~~ human lifespan since WW2, stop pretending like our species has transcended simply because we can send some 0s and 1s across the world. There is war. People are dying, and you’re here commenting about free speech and your lack of access to 0s and 1s. Edit: My usage of the term “generation” was pointed out to be wrong

scottlawson 5y ago
Um it's been four generations since WWII
- ecf 5y ago
  2022-1945 = 77 Average lifespan in my country = 78.79 years Seems like it’s one generation to me.
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    A generation is usually counted as somewhere between 20 and 25 years. As in, enough time for an infant to grow into an adult and then have their own children.
  - throwaway2214 5y ago
    2022-1945 = 77 people give birth around age of 25 1: the adults in 1945 2: their babies became parents in 1970 3: their babies became parents in 1995 4: the babies of the parents in 1995 are now adults and are giving birth to the next generation there have been 4 generations since ww2
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JohnHaugeland 5y ago

Free speech has nothing to do with whether a website chose to join an international sanction. The actual censorship is Putin's 15 year punishment for news he doesn't like. I wish enough of HN understood free speech at a level to pass a test in 8th grade that we would embarrass one another when getting things this wrong. It really hampers our ability to function in the real world, the way we reject any constraint involving text and then say "but muh free speech" This isn't intelligent or correct

rasengan 5y ago
Oh, I thought it was the blanket ban on Russian news by the EU.
- JohnHaugeland 5y ago
  That's also not censorship. Censorship is when *an individual is told by a government that they may not publish*. A government telling another government that they can't broadcast in the first government's space is something really quite different.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    When governments + corporations team up, your lines of distinction are meaningless.
  - JMS2021 5y ago
    Correct. Elon Musk has said he will ignore EU law and not block Russian internet on StarLink.

veganhouseDJ 5y ago

This is such an insane war on "misinformation". I would give anything to go back to usenet and that everything would be taken with a grain of salt because it is usenet. That is never going to happen though. We are society of automatons now who have mostly outsourced their thinking to the mob/group mind of social media. If you read Le Bon or Freud's work on group psychology it may as well be talking about social media in 2022. "The feelings of the group are always very simple and very exaggerated. So that the group knows neither doubt nor uncertainty. It goes directly to extremes, if a suspicion is expressed, it is instantly changed into an incontrovertible certainty."

qqq111 5y ago