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You are too naive to think the people can't see what's going on. Putin brought this on his people for some idealogic crusade. Not everyone will understand but

You are too naive to think the people can't see what's going on. Putin brought this on his people for some idealogic crusade. Not everyone will understand but some will.

thr0wawayf00 5y ago
Sure, some will. But we've seen how well propaganda works here in the US over the last 6 years, I feel less and less and certain that we'll be able to agree on a common reality here at home. The number of people that still argue about how the last election was stolen just blows my mind.
- boplicity 5y ago
  The vast majority of Republicans approve of Trump. In other words, they approve of perpetual, blatant dishonesty, or at least don't think it is important enough to change their opinion. Very disheartening.
  - BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
    >”In other words, they approve of perpetual, blatant dishonesty, or at least don't think it is important enough to change their opinion.” Or it’s the case that they see the other side as being perpetually and blatantly dishonest. Edit: Which is more likely, one political faction is objectively correct and the other is objectively wrong, or that partisan people view the world in such a way that their own side isn’t lying and the other is? If you wonder how such people can approve of lies and blatant dishonesty it’s because they fundamentally don’t see such things as lies to begin with. They see it as the truth.
    - boplicity 5y ago
      > Or it’s the case that they see the other side as being perpetually and blatantly dishonest. That's a logical fallacy. One's honesty has nothing to do with whether or not other people are honest. It turns out you can actually disapprove of all dishonest people, no matter whether other people are dishonest too.
- dkn775 5y ago
  Look at how uniform the Ukrainian coverage is if you think we can’t agree on a common reality. In principle I am pro Ukrainian I guess, although the gas prices are pissing me off, it’s too obvious to see the uniform lack of anything but one side story being told everywhere online and in media
  - thr0wawayf00 5y ago
    Can you elaborate on this? I've seen a lot of reporting across various outlets on how Ukraine is impacting the markets. What is the side of the Ukraine conflict that you're not seeing being reported right now that you wish would be? Edit: some examples Fox News: https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/gas-prices-ukraine-russia https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/gas-prices-ukraine-russi... CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gas-prices-5-dollars-gallon-russia-ukraine-oil/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gas-prices-5-dollars-gallon-rus... CNBC: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/03/how-the-ukraine-russia-conflict-may-hit-your-wallet.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/03/how-the-ukraine-russia-confl... USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/03/03/gas-prices-ukraine-russia-war/9358786002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/03/03/gas-prices-u... This isn't exhaustive but I tried to cover the main political spectrum here.
    - dkn775 5y ago
      Thanks for the links. Mainly mean that a uniform perspective of the situation is being communicated to US citizens. I don’t know if Russia has any legitimate reasons (maybe rational is the better word) because everything is painting the invasion from one perspective. Therefore most us citizens likely believe one form of reality on the issue. Just makes me feel a little uneasy to see everything from every news source having the same general point of Russia bad Ukraine good. Because it illustrates the power still held over US citizenry. The unease is because said uniformity makes me believe there is a form of propaganda inlaid with the news US citizens are receiving on the issue - even if I am unsure of the characteristics of it. Hopefully my point makes sense.
      - thr0wawayf00 5y ago

You are too naive to think the people can't see what's going on. Putin brought this on his people for some idealogic crusade. Not everyone will understand but some will.

thr0wawayf00 5y ago

Sure, some will. But we've seen how well propaganda works here in the US over the last 6 years, I feel less and less and certain that we'll be able to agree on a common reality here at home. The number of people that still argue about how the last election was stolen just blows my mind.

boplicity 5y ago
The vast majority of Republicans approve of Trump. In other words, they approve of perpetual, blatant dishonesty, or at least don't think it is important enough to change their opinion. Very disheartening.
- BuyMyBitcoins 5y ago
  >”In other words, they approve of perpetual, blatant dishonesty, or at least don't think it is important enough to change their opinion.” Or it’s the case that they see the other side as being perpetually and blatantly dishonest. Edit: Which is more likely, one political faction is objectively correct and the other is objectively wrong, or that partisan people view the world in such a way that their own side isn’t lying and the other is? If you wonder how such people can approve of lies and blatant dishonesty it’s because they fundamentally don’t see such things as lies to begin with. They see it as the truth.
  - boplicity 5y ago
    > Or it’s the case that they see the other side as being perpetually and blatantly dishonest. That's a logical fallacy. One's honesty has nothing to do with whether or not other people are honest. It turns out you can actually disapprove of all dishonest people, no matter whether other people are dishonest too.
dkn775 5y ago
Look at how uniform the Ukrainian coverage is if you think we can’t agree on a common reality. In principle I am pro Ukrainian I guess, although the gas prices are pissing me off, it’s too obvious to see the uniform lack of anything but one side story being told everywhere online and in media
- thr0wawayf00 5y ago
  Can you elaborate on this? I've seen a lot of reporting across various outlets on how Ukraine is impacting the markets. What is the side of the Ukraine conflict that you're not seeing being reported right now that you wish would be? Edit: some examples Fox News: https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/gas-prices-ukraine-russia https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/gas-prices-ukraine-russi... CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gas-prices-5-dollars-gallon-russia-ukraine-oil/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gas-prices-5-dollars-gallon-rus... CNBC: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/03/how-the-ukraine-russia-conflict-may-hit-your-wallet.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/03/how-the-ukraine-russia-confl... USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/03/03/gas-prices-ukraine-russia-war/9358786002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/03/03/gas-prices-u... This isn't exhaustive but I tried to cover the main political spectrum here.
  - dkn775 5y ago
    Thanks for the links. Mainly mean that a uniform perspective of the situation is being communicated to US citizens. I don’t know if Russia has any legitimate reasons (maybe rational is the better word) because everything is painting the invasion from one perspective. Therefore most us citizens likely believe one form of reality on the issue. Just makes me feel a little uneasy to see everything from every news source having the same general point of Russia bad Ukraine good. Because it illustrates the power still held over US citizenry. The unease is because said uniformity makes me believe there is a form of propaganda inlaid with the news US citizens are receiving on the issue - even if I am unsure of the characteristics of it. Hopefully my point makes sense.
    - thr0wawayf00 5y ago