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> War is war. That is the analogy, If you do not see that there is nothing more to say. Just because we are "the bigger bully" in a circumstance that is ok? Re
by bryant 5y ago
> War is war. That is the analogy, If you do not see that there is nothing more to say. Just because we are "the bigger bully" in a circumstance that is ok?
Repeating: Though the support should certainly be there for all people harmed by interventionist policies, Ukraine's struggle against the Russian invasion is most relevant to the world due to the potential for escalation to all-out nuclear war.
> And by saying it is "Ukraine's struggle" is simplistic and propaganda. The U.S. and Europe have been meddling in the Ukraine, installing their own people, since 2008.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine
It doesn't seem like you're engaged here in good faith. Cheers, I wish you the best.
- FollowingTheDao 5y agoYou seem to want to see a logical fallacy where none exists. > relevant to the world due to the potential for escalation to all-out nuclear war. The U.S. has done the very thing that started this escalation. There is nothing "whatabout" about that, it is one huge part to why this is happening. Now we are at this point, and we still do not want to deescalate. Do you see no other option other than sanctions and filling the Ukraine with more arms?
- rectang 5y agoWhy can't Ukraine and other Eastern European countries drift westward if they want to?
- FollowingTheDao 5y agoThey can. But it is not "Ukraine" that it drifting (and you make that sound like it is just the wind blowing them) westward. It is the U.S. and NATO that are PUSHING westward. In that case as well, why can't Russia "drift eastward?
- sidibe 5y agoIt takes no pushing. Put yourself in the shoes of an Eastern European. Why would you not want to be part of EU and NATO... Staying in Russia's influence seems to just offer corruption and oligarchs, the countries that joined the EU are thriving relative to the others
- FollowingTheDao 5y agoCan you also put yourself in the shoes of a Ukrainian? And what is the difference between a Russian "Oligarch" and Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk? And the countries that joined the EU are thriving because the EU economically crushes the other countries through the IMF.