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Sanctions and support are MUCH different than antagonizing Russia, a nuclear power, by doing the one thing that if the U.S. did not do would ease tensions great
by FollowingTheDao 5y ago
Sanctions and support are MUCH different than antagonizing Russia, a nuclear power, by doing the one thing that if the U.S. did not do would ease tensions greatly.
You do not have to be a Russian apologist to understand that this is more complicated than bad vs good.
And it was only a mistake because they trusted the US and Europe that they would keep the promise of not surrounding them with NATO forces.
What Russia and Putin have done is nothing short of a war crime, just like when the U.S. invaded Iraq, but that does not mean we should blind ourselves to their side to do everything we can to avoid war.
Peace come with understanding.
- will4274 5y agoAnd what of Russia's promise to not invade Ukraine? You know, the one that is recorded in a treaty and ratified by the leaders of each country. Unlike the promise you refer to.
- FollowingTheDao 5y agoWhat was that treaty dependent on?
- will4274 5y agoOn Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons.
- FollowingTheDao 5y ago
- will4274 5y ago?? The expensive part of a nuclear weapon isn't the panel you enter the codes on. It's the nuclear material. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Secur... > Ahahhahahah.... You may want to take a minute to review the rules of this forum and try to comment in a more appropriate manner.
- rectang 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit... > According to the memorandum, Russia, the US and the UK confirmed their recognition of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine becoming parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and effectively abandoning their nuclear arsenal to Russia and that they agreed to the following: > (1) Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
- FollowingTheDao 5y agoCrimea annexation happened after the U.S. broke the treaty by involving themselves politically in Ukraine as heard in the Nuland tapes.
- dang 5y agoYour account is breaking the site guidelines in multiple ways. We ban accounts that do that, so would you please stop doing that? In particular, that means: first, don't post flamewar comments like this one. You can make your substantive points thoughtfully, without flamebait, so please do so. Second, it means not using HN primarily for political, ideological, or national battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for, because it's not what HN is for and destroys what it is for. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- kibwen 5y agoThis appears to suggest that NATO holds any responsibility at all for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which is nonsense. If Russia doesn't want its neighbors join a collective defensive pact against Russian aggression, then Russia should stop attacking its neighbors. "You see, we were justified in attacking you, because you threatened us by making it harder for us to attack you in the future!"
- FollowingTheDao 5y ago