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> The "west" has been trying to de-escalate the actions of Russia for the last two decades. We are now living in truly post-truth world. We can condemn the Ru

> The "west" has been trying to de-escalate the actions of Russia for the last two decades. We are now living in truly post-truth world. We can condemn the Russia invasion without resorting to what is a complete inversion of the facts. The US, for unexplained reasons, against the opposition of Germany and France has been stoking this fire since the age of the great neocons: Clinton and Bush Júnior and even after then it never really tried to de-escalate the situation or not try to isolate Russia from Europe. This is widely agreed between scholars and diplomats both from the right and from the left. It is not everyday when Chomsky and Kissinger agreed about something like this.

FollowingTheDao 5y ago
I keep saying this, but I am right back at the first Iraq war again, trying to unblind people of the propaganda just like I did back then. Only this time we have nukes.
hgomersall 5y ago
Hilary Clinton literally gave Sergey Lavrov a big red "reset" button. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset It wasn't the first nor the last attempt at a reset on relations with Russia. https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/bush-putin-the-end-of-the-end-of-the-cold-war/ https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/bush-putin-the-end-of-the...
- danbruc 5y ago
  What changed with respect to Ukraine becoming a NATO member, the one thing Putin really cared about? For some time the Ukraine itself decided to no longer pursue a NATO membership but did NATO reconsider the Bucharest declaration that states Ukraine will become a NATO member if they desire so?
koonsolo 5y ago
So why doesn't Russia attack US then? Europe was getting closer to Russia, you can't deny that. That this might not be in the best interest of US is possible. But why should Russia start a war with Europe then? Please explain. EU and Russia could be a very strong power, to offset the other powers in the world. But now Russia decided to fuck both EU and Russia. Nice play idiot(s).

FollowingTheDao 5y ago

I keep saying this, but I am right back at the first Iraq war again, trying to unblind people of the propaganda just like I did back then. Only this time we have nukes.

hgomersall 5y ago

Hilary Clinton literally gave Sergey Lavrov a big red "reset" button. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset It wasn't the first nor the last attempt at a reset on relations with Russia. https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/bush-putin-the-end-of-the-end-of-the-cold-war/ https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/bush-putin-the-end-of-the...

danbruc 5y ago
What changed with respect to Ukraine becoming a NATO member, the one thing Putin really cared about? For some time the Ukraine itself decided to no longer pursue a NATO membership but did NATO reconsider the Bucharest declaration that states Ukraine will become a NATO member if they desire so?

koonsolo 5y ago

So why doesn't Russia attack US then? Europe was getting closer to Russia, you can't deny that. That this might not be in the best interest of US is possible. But why should Russia start a war with Europe then? Please explain. EU and Russia could be a very strong power, to offset the other powers in the world. But now Russia decided to fuck both EU and Russia. Nice play idiot(s).