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>have been ringing alarm bells for decades on NATO expansion eastward Do these historians have an answer that what should those countries in east Europe do? J

>have been ringing alarm bells for decades on NATO expansion eastward Do these historians have an answer that what should those countries in east Europe do? Just accept the fate that you will always be a vassal of Russia because you are at the wrong geographical place? - Option 1: NATO - Option 2: Vassal of Russia - Option 3: "buffer state" which means you are free to be destroyed by both the NATO and Russia, see Ukraine and the former Yugoslavia There is a reason people wants to have a life like "the west" and not like Russia.

rastignack 5y ago
> "buffer state" which means you are free to be destroyed by both the NATO and Russia, see Ukraine and the former Yugoslavia Can you elaborate on former Yugoslavia ? Who has destroyed it ?
- yorwba 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia
  - rastignack 5y ago
    I have lots of family there, some of them took bullets in that war. I’d say it’s mostly the death of Tito who caused this breakup. And the schismatic history. They don’t blame nato or Russia for that.
    - yorwba 5y ago
      From your preceding comment I got the impression that you didn't know about Yugoslavia and might benefit from a Wikipedia link, but apparently I was wrong about that. Apologies.
throckmortra 5y ago
You're assuming that Russia would feel like it needed to conquer its neighbors in a peaceful world. Again, analysts argue that we propped up the imperialist ideologues of Russia and created the current climate Edit: I think most of you aren't really engaging with the substance of my comment. The idea being that all this bloodthirst that Russia currently has is due to conditions that we knew about and could have avoided. Also, Russian government of 1991 =/= Stalin
- skeletal88 5y ago
  Have you not heard that Putin lamented the end of the Soviet union and his goal has been building Russia into an empire again? You are assuming that Russia will stop conquering it's neighbours. Or that it would be a good neighbour if "it was left alone by the west" - what ever that means?
- unpopularopp 5y ago
  >You're assuming that Russia would feel like it needed to conquer its neighbors in a peaceful world I mean after 45 years of Soviet occupation of Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc. didn't know what people expect from those countries. Of course they don't want to see any russians ever again. Or once again: is it their fate that they always have to be the vassal of Russia just because of their location? Most of these countries were historically and culturally always closer to Germany, "the west", than Russia.
- krzyk 5y ago
  Russia always feels the need to conquer neighbors and its neighbors feel a need to not let it, hence we join NATO to stop the bad guys. Since the start 1920s countries in central Europe are in constant fear of Soviet/Russian attack.
  - rurban 5y ago
    Go back to 1580 when Russia started to invade their fellow neighbors. Never stopped since.
- kristiandupont 5y ago

rastignack 5y ago

> "buffer state" which means you are free to be destroyed by both the NATO and Russia, see Ukraine and the former Yugoslavia Can you elaborate on former Yugoslavia ? Who has destroyed it ?

yorwba 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia
- rastignack 5y ago
  I have lots of family there, some of them took bullets in that war. I’d say it’s mostly the death of Tito who caused this breakup. And the schismatic history. They don’t blame nato or Russia for that.
  - yorwba 5y ago
    From your preceding comment I got the impression that you didn't know about Yugoslavia and might benefit from a Wikipedia link, but apparently I was wrong about that. Apologies.

throckmortra 5y ago

You're assuming that Russia would feel like it needed to conquer its neighbors in a peaceful world. Again, analysts argue that we propped up the imperialist ideologues of Russia and created the current climate Edit: I think most of you aren't really engaging with the substance of my comment. The idea being that all this bloodthirst that Russia currently has is due to conditions that we knew about and could have avoided. Also, Russian government of 1991 =/= Stalin

skeletal88 5y ago
Have you not heard that Putin lamented the end of the Soviet union and his goal has been building Russia into an empire again? You are assuming that Russia will stop conquering it's neighbours. Or that it would be a good neighbour if "it was left alone by the west" - what ever that means?
unpopularopp 5y ago
>You're assuming that Russia would feel like it needed to conquer its neighbors in a peaceful world I mean after 45 years of Soviet occupation of Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia etc. didn't know what people expect from those countries. Of course they don't want to see any russians ever again. Or once again: is it their fate that they always have to be the vassal of Russia just because of their location? Most of these countries were historically and culturally always closer to Germany, "the west", than Russia.
krzyk 5y ago
Russia always feels the need to conquer neighbors and its neighbors feel a need to not let it, hence we join NATO to stop the bad guys. Since the start 1920s countries in central Europe are in constant fear of Soviet/Russian attack.
- rurban 5y ago
  Go back to 1580 when Russia started to invade their fellow neighbors. Never stopped since.
kristiandupont 5y ago