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We are cooperating because we're terrified we have a madman at our doorstep. Are you saying Europe and US and NATO aren't scared shitless of what's going on in

We are cooperating because we're terrified we have a madman at our doorstep. Are you saying Europe and US and NATO aren't scared shitless of what's going on in Ukraine? I am. Still, what's happening is the definition of proxy war, and I don't see the point of discussing semantics.

monetus 5y ago
Why are you two speaking past each other? Russia has no proxy. NATO has begun treating Ukraine like a proxy, with them being frustrated by the delay. It can be a spectrum. Was the Vietnam war a proxy war against the ussr? One of independence? Are they mutually exclusive?
- 1_player 5y ago
  Again, semantics. One side doesn't have a proxy, the other does. Should we really be splitting hairs on the correct definition?
  - monetus 5y ago
    No, that was my point
tromp 5y ago
It fails the above definition as Russia is not acting on the instigation or on behalf of another party.