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That's because you are comfy in your couch when some km away from you people are being bombed.

by pelasaco 5y ago

swarnie 5y ago
Correct, i don't fancy the idea of being glassed by a madman. Funny how self preservation works isn't it?
- pelasaco 5y ago
  cowardice, you mean? Yep, that's how it works. Europe show it since 2013 in the Ukraine.
  - swarnie 5y ago
    I assume you've joined the foreigner legion and are posting these dumb takes from the front lines yeah? Not wanting to die over someone else's war isn't cowardice, its sanity.
    - pelasaco 5y ago
      I don't have to join the legion there, but I will fight when it arrives in my country. Or do you think that you are safe in UK?
    - SyzygistSix 5y ago
      This isn't someone else's war. For anyone who wants a world where rule of law prevails, and trade and negotiation are used rather than the powerful just take what they want, this is their war as well, despite not being the ones under direct fire.
kreeben 5y ago
WW3 will be our civilization's last war. Advocating for it is advocating for the end of the world. This is the wrong strategy.
- rocketpastsix 5y ago
  wasn't WW1 supposed to be the "last war"? and then again with WW2?
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
sabas123 5y ago
You can apply the same argument for letting the west boots on the ground. All loss of live in this conflict is tragic, no way to deny that. But a no-fly zone is not an option here.
- watwut 5y ago
  Ukraine is actively asking for those boots. You dont know where the person you responded to is. They might just desperately hope for military support to Ukraine.
- pelasaco 5y ago
  a no-fly zone IS an option, the question is when we should use it https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/05/no-fly-zones-ukraine-war-escalation https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/05/no-fly...
pennaMan 5y ago
Would you rather all western civilization face a nuclear winter?
- pelasaco 5y ago
  Why? Russia will just press the red button if it faces a invasion that they cannot repel. No county should fear it while russia is looking for territory expansion. Otherwise they will use this to expand upto east Germany.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    They're having massive amounts of trouble in Ukraine. There's no way they're driving tanks into Germany any time soon.
    - pelasaco 5y ago
      And other eastern countries, which were part of the soviet union, are ok? The whole rethoric that is just Ukraine, makes 0 sense. Nobody buy it. Bosnia, Georgia wants to join NATO. Finnland too. Are we going to allow Putin invade them and look away too? Are the Russians (ordinary people) just stay quiet?
      - lamontcg 5y ago
        Right now it looks like Putin gets stopped in Ukraine, he likely gets ousted by a coup, and all those countries join NATO. Finland is sending 4,000 AT4s, Germany and the US are sending stinger missiles and javelins, other nations are sending Howitzers, fuel, automatic weapons, pistols and Turkey is sending its drones which have been remarkably successful. I don't know what rock you're currently hiding under, but the EU is financing 450M euros of military aid to Ukraine. That isn't "looking away" or "staying quiet". I have no idea where this silly hyperbole is coming from. We're also apparently doing Schroedinger's sanctions, which are simultaneously "nothing" and yet brutally repressive towards the Russian people.
VictorPath 5y ago
- nickspicer1993 5y ago
  In my mind Viktor Yanukovych came to power unfairly and was ousted by the people of Ukraine in a protest for democracy rather than against. Is that the wrong viewpoint, are there some other sources I should read?
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    He was elected with 49% of the vote, while his rival received 45.5%. A few years later he was negotiating with EU, and one day made some decision that frustrated EU staff. The next day, violent protests took over the capital, demanding his immediate resignation and Ukraine's immediate agreement with EU negotiators. Yanukovych offered some concessions, and thought he had an agreement. He then left Kyiv to visit some other part of Ukraine. Immediately the protests violently occupied the major government buildings. Yanukovych fled Ukraine in fear of his life, and a portion of the parliament ended his administration, voting while the actual parliament building was violently occupied. In the aftermath various other violent actions took place. This seems to really stretch the definition of "democracy". You don't have to read anything, just watch the Oliver Stone documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHH10jIRJmQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHH10jIRJmQ A few weeks ago when I watched it, it didn't have the scary "offensive content" warning.
- smarx007 5y ago
  8 years of Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk vs 8 days of Russian "liberation" of Kharkiv: https://twitter.com/itswpceo/status/1499791763044966406 https://twitter.com/itswpceo/status/1499791763044966406 Maybe it's time for HN to close new signups for a few weeks.
Zpalmtree 5y ago
Meanwhile you are signing us all up for WW3

That's because you are comfy in your couch when some km away from you people are being bombed.

swarnie 5y ago

Correct, i don't fancy the idea of being glassed by a madman. Funny how self preservation works isn't it?

pelasaco 5y ago
cowardice, you mean? Yep, that's how it works. Europe show it since 2013 in the Ukraine.
- swarnie 5y ago
  I assume you've joined the foreigner legion and are posting these dumb takes from the front lines yeah? Not wanting to die over someone else's war isn't cowardice, its sanity.
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    I don't have to join the legion there, but I will fight when it arrives in my country. Or do you think that you are safe in UK?
  - SyzygistSix 5y ago
    This isn't someone else's war. For anyone who wants a world where rule of law prevails, and trade and negotiation are used rather than the powerful just take what they want, this is their war as well, despite not being the ones under direct fire.

kreeben 5y ago

WW3 will be our civilization's last war. Advocating for it is advocating for the end of the world. This is the wrong strategy.

rocketpastsix 5y ago
wasn't WW1 supposed to be the "last war"? and then again with WW2?
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]

sabas123 5y ago

You can apply the same argument for letting the west boots on the ground. All loss of live in this conflict is tragic, no way to deny that. But a no-fly zone is not an option here.

watwut 5y ago
Ukraine is actively asking for those boots. You dont know where the person you responded to is. They might just desperately hope for military support to Ukraine.
pelasaco 5y ago
a no-fly zone IS an option, the question is when we should use it https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/05/no-fly-zones-ukraine-war-escalation https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/05/no-fly...

pennaMan 5y ago

Would you rather all western civilization face a nuclear winter?

pelasaco 5y ago
Why? Russia will just press the red button if it faces a invasion that they cannot repel. No county should fear it while russia is looking for territory expansion. Otherwise they will use this to expand upto east Germany.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  They're having massive amounts of trouble in Ukraine. There's no way they're driving tanks into Germany any time soon.
  - pelasaco 5y ago
    And other eastern countries, which were part of the soviet union, are ok? The whole rethoric that is just Ukraine, makes 0 sense. Nobody buy it. Bosnia, Georgia wants to join NATO. Finnland too. Are we going to allow Putin invade them and look away too? Are the Russians (ordinary people) just stay quiet?
    - lamontcg 5y ago
      Right now it looks like Putin gets stopped in Ukraine, he likely gets ousted by a coup, and all those countries join NATO. Finland is sending 4,000 AT4s, Germany and the US are sending stinger missiles and javelins, other nations are sending Howitzers, fuel, automatic weapons, pistols and Turkey is sending its drones which have been remarkably successful. I don't know what rock you're currently hiding under, but the EU is financing 450M euros of military aid to Ukraine. That isn't "looking away" or "staying quiet". I have no idea where this silly hyperbole is coming from. We're also apparently doing Schroedinger's sanctions, which are simultaneously "nothing" and yet brutally repressive towards the Russian people.

VictorPath 5y ago

nickspicer1993 5y ago
In my mind Viktor Yanukovych came to power unfairly and was ousted by the people of Ukraine in a protest for democracy rather than against. Is that the wrong viewpoint, are there some other sources I should read?
- jessaustin 5y ago
  He was elected with 49% of the vote, while his rival received 45.5%. A few years later he was negotiating with EU, and one day made some decision that frustrated EU staff. The next day, violent protests took over the capital, demanding his immediate resignation and Ukraine's immediate agreement with EU negotiators. Yanukovych offered some concessions, and thought he had an agreement. He then left Kyiv to visit some other part of Ukraine. Immediately the protests violently occupied the major government buildings. Yanukovych fled Ukraine in fear of his life, and a portion of the parliament ended his administration, voting while the actual parliament building was violently occupied. In the aftermath various other violent actions took place. This seems to really stretch the definition of "democracy". You don't have to read anything, just watch the Oliver Stone documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHH10jIRJmQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHH10jIRJmQ A few weeks ago when I watched it, it didn't have the scary "offensive content" warning.
smarx007 5y ago
8 years of Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk vs 8 days of Russian "liberation" of Kharkiv: https://twitter.com/itswpceo/status/1499791763044966406 https://twitter.com/itswpceo/status/1499791763044966406 Maybe it's time for HN to close new signups for a few weeks.

Zpalmtree 5y ago

Meanwhile you are signing us all up for WW3