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I really struggle to respond here. If you're seeking some kind of... economically efficient? - output from improved go play, it's true you won't find it. I don'
by morelisp 5y ago
I really struggle to respond here. If you're seeking some kind of... economically efficient? - output from improved go play, it's true you won't find it. I don't know how to argue the value of deepening skill in a game to someone who doesn't see that as inherently valuable, and I'm shocked to see this attitude from someone who makes games/art. Each game is a piece of art, and a game between two players of high skill level should have a place among humankind's great classical artistic outputs.
It's a bit cliche of a recommendation at this point but maybe Hesse's The Glass Bead Game can help explain it. The fictional Glasperlenspiel makes explicit the level of discussion skilled players see in even the most abstract of real games. A novice player sees "raw" joseki, tsumego, etc; a more advanced player can read that as patterns of offense, defense, and zones of control; but the top players are reading the board in terms of ideas, experiments, challenges, proposals, negotiations, arguments, and jokes.
- everyone 5y agoThats a good point, the playing of a game can be seen as an artform in itself. I makes games myself, so I guess I naturally give more credit to a games designer rather than it's players. Eg. It's hard to think of someone streaming a game on twitch as an artist. But people see great sportsmen are artists, I'm probably wrong and need to open my mind about that.
- morelisp 5y agoA better analogy for a Twitch streamer would be someone performing an already-written play or piece of music. It's true a lot of games don't offer much room for expression on the part of the player, but that's often a stronger indictment of the game than of the player, and definitely not true of competitive abstracts.