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Here I'll give you a quick example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30558245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30558245 Mikeb85 "> invades Iran The d

by anon2020dot00 5y ago

Here I'll give you a quick example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30558245 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30558245 Mikeb85 "> invades Iran The difference between Ukraine and all the other countries invaded in the last 50 or so years is that Ukraine is a real democracy and liberal, modern society. Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc... are not the same as Ukraine." femiagbabiaka "Truly amazing. This statement shows that you know very little about the history of Ukraine or Iran, Syria, Iraq." Mikeb85 "It's truly amazing how much whataboutism and Russian propaganda there is in the US." Mikeb85 is claiming that Ukraine is not the same as Iran, Syria, Iraq as a "a real democracy and liberal, modern society". femiagbabiaka challenges this claim and is stating that Mikeb85 doesn't know the history of those countries. Mikeb85 responds with "So much Russian propaganda and whataboutism". Honestly, where is the whataboutism in what femiagbabiaka said? Answer: no whataboutism. All femiagbabiaka said is that Iran, Iraq, Syria were/are real societies not deserving to be bombed by stronger powers just like Ukraine; whether that is true or not is debatable but what is not debatable is not there is no whataboutism in that statement. My pet peeve is people mis-using "whatboutism", calling whataboutism at the very mention of other countries such as Iraq; and above is a simple example of that. Mis-using whataboutism to just kill all discussion such as on the topic of justified Western or Russian aggression.

watwut 5y ago
That is not example that would prove you are unable to discuss "western aggression" as a topic. It is not even example of you trying to discuss it in context other then Ukraine.
- anon2020dot00 5y ago
  See the parent comment of Ekaros below who is talking about USA invading Iran. Then Mikeb85 chimes-in with the claim that Iran, Iraq, etc are "not a real democracy and liberal, modern society". When femiagbabiaka challenges that claim, Mikeb85 responds with "Russian propaganda and Whataboutism". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30556335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30556335 Ekaros "I wonder would these actions be then applied equally. Let's say USA invades Iran. Should we then terminate all of the domains and tlds hold by any USA based entity. Reclaim all of the IP space hold by them too? Surely it would solve some starvation issue, and be just, but do we want that?" Common justification for Western aggression in Iraq and Afganistan is that these countries are not worthy of the same protections as Ukraine since they are not democatic, liberal and modern. When somebody challenges that claim, the response is simply labeled "Russian Propaganda and Whatboutism" killing the discussion. Any questioning of the justification for Western Aggression is responded with "Russian Propaganda and Whatboutism". One cannot even discuss with Mikeb85 whether his claim is true or not, as backed by evidence.
- anon2020dot00 5y ago
  I just realized that the spacing of the Mikeb85 quote was broken and so that affected the readability of his message. Here is the message of Mikeb85 with proper formatting and it is clear here that he is using his claim of Iran, Iraq, etc.. as not being modern, liberal, democratic etc.. as justification for Western Aggression. Mikeb85 "> invades Iran The difference between Ukraine and all the other countries invaded in the last 50 or so years is that Ukraine is a real democracy and liberal, modern society. Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc... are not the same as Ukraine."

watwut 5y ago

That is not example that would prove you are unable to discuss "western aggression" as a topic. It is not even example of you trying to discuss it in context other then Ukraine.

anon2020dot00 5y ago
See the parent comment of Ekaros below who is talking about USA invading Iran. Then Mikeb85 chimes-in with the claim that Iran, Iraq, etc are "not a real democracy and liberal, modern society". When femiagbabiaka challenges that claim, Mikeb85 responds with "Russian propaganda and Whataboutism". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30556335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30556335 Ekaros "I wonder would these actions be then applied equally. Let's say USA invades Iran. Should we then terminate all of the domains and tlds hold by any USA based entity. Reclaim all of the IP space hold by them too? Surely it would solve some starvation issue, and be just, but do we want that?" Common justification for Western aggression in Iraq and Afganistan is that these countries are not worthy of the same protections as Ukraine since they are not democatic, liberal and modern. When somebody challenges that claim, the response is simply labeled "Russian Propaganda and Whatboutism" killing the discussion. Any questioning of the justification for Western Aggression is responded with "Russian Propaganda and Whatboutism". One cannot even discuss with Mikeb85 whether his claim is true or not, as backed by evidence.
anon2020dot00 5y ago
I just realized that the spacing of the Mikeb85 quote was broken and so that affected the readability of his message. Here is the message of Mikeb85 with proper formatting and it is clear here that he is using his claim of Iran, Iraq, etc.. as not being modern, liberal, democratic etc.. as justification for Western Aggression. Mikeb85 "> invades Iran The difference between Ukraine and all the other countries invaded in the last 50 or so years is that Ukraine is a real democracy and liberal, modern society. Iran, Syria, Iraq, etc... are not the same as Ukraine."