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Just like when the west stood up to the US Government and stopped the Iraq war? It's easy to point the finger when you're far from the reality.

sto_hristo 5y ago
Try the Vietnam proxy war. And any sensible and rational being with non-zero knowledge of Iraq and Saddam's transgressions against humanity should support the Iraq war which was all about toppling him. Since you're clearly not one of those, here's some homework to get you started: Halabja massacre, Kuwait invasion.
- jessaustin 5y ago
  Don't forget those babies getting thrown out of those incubators!
- cudgy 5y ago
  Word was Sadam killed 10,000 people during his reign, which is certainly abominable. US attack on Iraq killed over 10,000 people in several days
- aftergibson 5y ago
  Here's some for yourself to contemplate: The IBC project has recorded a range of at least 185,194 – 208,167 total violent civilian deaths through June 2020 in their database. Was this a justifying cost to toppling him? Was the decision the American Government's to make? Those events you mention are also a full 13 years before the war in Iraq started, why the delay, why end the gulf war? If my memory recalls, there was a lot of noise around WMDs at the time and questionable evidence for justification.
  - sto_hristo 5y ago
    A lot of innocent civilians die in the process of toppling any eternal psychopathic dictator with firm grip on their country. The bloodbath of WW2 could have been completely avoided if Hitler was simply allowed to take a bunch of countries and kill some minorities. If that works for you then there is something awfully twisted about you. This, however, doesn't work for people under those regimes - the ones that actually get burned. Also, chemical weapons are WMDs - something Saddam had and used. More homework for you: Operation Opera. Left alone, this guy would be a more psychotic ME DPRK. It's hard to imagine that DPRK itself doesn't come close to Iraq under Saddam.
    - jessaustin 5y ago
      Saddam's chemical weapons were manufactured and sold by USA firms. Again and again, we create more problems attempting to solve the problems we created in the first place. Most Americans don't realize this because their thoughts are provided by the war media. Ukraine is not an exception.
oezi 5y ago
It was meant half as a snarky comment and half as a sad testimonial of human nature. I mean: You hear the news that Ikea is closing, you likely link it to the world news, you think "got to buy some last minute furniture". I know it is human. On the other hand: Lots of people protested the Iraq war. Lots of governments in the west did not participate in the coalition of the willing and protested (I know Germany under Chancellor Schröder did). Should we have done more against it? Probably. I still would justify it with it being a 9/11 aftermath thing, where the USA was on a rampage to get revenge and at the same time being absolutely unchallenged 10 years after the end of the cold war. They couldn't have been stopped by anyone.
- PartiallyTyped 5y ago
  Include France in there, hence the propagandas like "White flag", "French need saving", "Freedom fries", and the deep resentment of France in the US.
- aftergibson 5y ago
  That helpless perception you feel against the US Government is likely the same thing the average decent-minded Russian is feeling right now? At least it's unlikely you'd get 15 years protesting in the West.

sto_hristo 5y ago

Try the Vietnam proxy war. And any sensible and rational being with non-zero knowledge of Iraq and Saddam's transgressions against humanity should support the Iraq war which was all about toppling him. Since you're clearly not one of those, here's some homework to get you started: Halabja massacre, Kuwait invasion.

jessaustin 5y ago
Don't forget those babies getting thrown out of those incubators!
cudgy 5y ago
Word was Sadam killed 10,000 people during his reign, which is certainly abominable. US attack on Iraq killed over 10,000 people in several days
aftergibson 5y ago
Here's some for yourself to contemplate: The IBC project has recorded a range of at least 185,194 – 208,167 total violent civilian deaths through June 2020 in their database. Was this a justifying cost to toppling him? Was the decision the American Government's to make? Those events you mention are also a full 13 years before the war in Iraq started, why the delay, why end the gulf war? If my memory recalls, there was a lot of noise around WMDs at the time and questionable evidence for justification.
- sto_hristo 5y ago
  A lot of innocent civilians die in the process of toppling any eternal psychopathic dictator with firm grip on their country. The bloodbath of WW2 could have been completely avoided if Hitler was simply allowed to take a bunch of countries and kill some minorities. If that works for you then there is something awfully twisted about you. This, however, doesn't work for people under those regimes - the ones that actually get burned. Also, chemical weapons are WMDs - something Saddam had and used. More homework for you: Operation Opera. Left alone, this guy would be a more psychotic ME DPRK. It's hard to imagine that DPRK itself doesn't come close to Iraq under Saddam.
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    Saddam's chemical weapons were manufactured and sold by USA firms. Again and again, we create more problems attempting to solve the problems we created in the first place. Most Americans don't realize this because their thoughts are provided by the war media. Ukraine is not an exception.

oezi 5y ago

It was meant half as a snarky comment and half as a sad testimonial of human nature. I mean: You hear the news that Ikea is closing, you likely link it to the world news, you think "got to buy some last minute furniture". I know it is human. On the other hand: Lots of people protested the Iraq war. Lots of governments in the west did not participate in the coalition of the willing and protested (I know Germany under Chancellor Schröder did). Should we have done more against it? Probably. I still would justify it with it being a 9/11 aftermath thing, where the USA was on a rampage to get revenge and at the same time being absolutely unchallenged 10 years after the end of the cold war. They couldn't have been stopped by anyone.

PartiallyTyped 5y ago
Include France in there, hence the propagandas like "White flag", "French need saving", "Freedom fries", and the deep resentment of France in the US.
aftergibson 5y ago
That helpless perception you feel against the US Government is likely the same thing the average decent-minded Russian is feeling right now? At least it's unlikely you'd get 15 years protesting in the West.