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Basically the only news that should be allowed is news that satisfies the mainstream political narrative so that folks are kept fully sanitized. This is far mor

Basically the only news that should be allowed is news that satisfies the mainstream political narrative so that folks are kept fully sanitized. This is far more important than silly things like freedom of speech. Any critical questioning of the "facts" is "misinformation". Who cares later if the "misinformation" later is found to be true ? The most important thing is to obey and follow the will of the collective - set by the whatever the media overlords and political masters judge as "correct thinking". Any attempt to deviate from the same is "radicalization" and must be suppressed by any and all means.

stingraycharles 5y ago
We’re talking about Trump denying the election results, which ended with a lot of violence in the Capitol. This is absolutely misinformation that did lead to radicalization.
- lenkite 5y ago
  So did Clinton about the 2016 election and she still claims the same. Along with her consistent hardline that Trump is a Putin Puppet - which is misinformation that has been proved false again & again at great expense to the taxpayer - but still gets published. Zero bans for her - since she is a cherished member of the political mainstream. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum... https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-labels-trump-illegitimate-170547434.html https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-labels-trump-illegiti... https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-electi...
  - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
    We have proof that Trump tried to blackmail Zelensky into framing his political opponents by witholding aid they needed to defend themselves from Russia. When Putin started his invasion, Trump praised him for being smart, then praised him again, suggesting he'd captured a whole country for a small cost in sanctions. What do you think you're expressing when you say that Trump isn't a Putin puppet? That he's not made of wood?
    - lenkite 5y ago
      You mean the claim that the Ukrainian President himself denied ? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-says-there-was-no-blackmail-in-trump-call.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-s... And what about Joe Biden's proud public boast that he threatened to withhold aid if a Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't fired ? (who was investigating Burisma - the company whose board Hunter biden was on.) https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-t... Anyways, it's pretty clear that there are different standards for different people for news that gets published/censored/suppressed and most importantly amplified. As Elon Musk said just today: "All news sources are partially propaganda, some more than others" - when he was told by governments (not Ukraine) that Starlink should block Russian news. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499982913949081600 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499982913949081600
      - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
        Yes, the person being blackmailed, said that the person blackmailing him, who was still in a position to blackmail him about the (now realised) invasion of his country, which is likely to end with his and his family's death, and potentially could be in the same position for four more years said there was no blackmail and specifically said "“I don’t want to interfere in U.S. elections,”" I don't find that decisive on the facts given everything else. Stormy Daniels denied sleeping with Trump, because someone threatened the life of her child. It was and is still a true thing that happened.
        lenkite 5y ago
        The transcript was released by the White House and there are no threats made to withdraw Ukrainian aid - quite unlike the explicit and damning public statement made by Biden to withdraw aid, which is also captured on Video - but fails to get any publicity whatsoever as its deeply embarrassing for the favoured media darling. You can continue to speculate further but evidence doesn't fit your claim. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/25/trump-releases-transcript-call-ukraine-president/2438300001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/25/trum...
  - cudgy 5y ago
    Technically videos of Clinton Making such claims violate the YouTube policy stated below, but, as you said, YouTube selectively enforces their policies only against those that are not part of the mainstream narrative. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10835034?hl=en#zippy=%2Celection-integrity https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10835034?hl=en#zip... “Election integrity: Content that advances false claims that widespread fraud, errors, or glitches changed the outcome of select past national elections, after final election results are officially certified. This currently applies to: Any past U.S. Presidential election The 2021 German federal election”
- 15155 5y ago
  What's "a lot?" A lot relative to a normal day? A lot relative to a BLM rally?
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  A lot of people deny the 2000 and 2016 elections. Should we ban anybody who questions those election results as well?

stingraycharles 5y ago

We’re talking about Trump denying the election results, which ended with a lot of violence in the Capitol. This is absolutely misinformation that did lead to radicalization.

lenkite 5y ago
So did Clinton about the 2016 election and she still claims the same. Along with her consistent hardline that Trump is a Putin Puppet - which is misinformation that has been proved false again & again at great expense to the taxpayer - but still gets published. Zero bans for her - since she is a cherished member of the political mainstream. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trum... https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-labels-trump-illegitimate-170547434.html https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-labels-trump-illegiti... https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-election-160716779.html https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-electi...
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  We have proof that Trump tried to blackmail Zelensky into framing his political opponents by witholding aid they needed to defend themselves from Russia. When Putin started his invasion, Trump praised him for being smart, then praised him again, suggesting he'd captured a whole country for a small cost in sanctions. What do you think you're expressing when you say that Trump isn't a Putin puppet? That he's not made of wood?
  - lenkite 5y ago
    You mean the claim that the Ukrainian President himself denied ? https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-says-there-was-no-blackmail-in-trump-call.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-s... And what about Joe Biden's proud public boast that he threatened to withhold aid if a Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't fired ? (who was investigating Burisma - the company whose board Hunter biden was on.) https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-t... Anyways, it's pretty clear that there are different standards for different people for news that gets published/censored/suppressed and most importantly amplified. As Elon Musk said just today: "All news sources are partially propaganda, some more than others" - when he was told by governments (not Ukraine) that Starlink should block Russian news. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499982913949081600 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499982913949081600
    - ZeroGravitas 5y ago
      Yes, the person being blackmailed, said that the person blackmailing him, who was still in a position to blackmail him about the (now realised) invasion of his country, which is likely to end with his and his family's death, and potentially could be in the same position for four more years said there was no blackmail and specifically said "“I don’t want to interfere in U.S. elections,”" I don't find that decisive on the facts given everything else. Stormy Daniels denied sleeping with Trump, because someone threatened the life of her child. It was and is still a true thing that happened.
      - lenkite 5y ago
        The transcript was released by the White House and there are no threats made to withdraw Ukrainian aid - quite unlike the explicit and damning public statement made by Biden to withdraw aid, which is also captured on Video - but fails to get any publicity whatsoever as its deeply embarrassing for the favoured media darling. You can continue to speculate further but evidence doesn't fit your claim. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/25/trump-releases-transcript-call-ukraine-president/2438300001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/25/trum...
- cudgy 5y ago
  Technically videos of Clinton Making such claims violate the YouTube policy stated below, but, as you said, YouTube selectively enforces their policies only against those that are not part of the mainstream narrative. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10835034?hl=en#zippy=%2Celection-integrity https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/10835034?hl=en#zip... “Election integrity: Content that advances false claims that widespread fraud, errors, or glitches changed the outcome of select past national elections, after final election results are officially certified. This currently applies to: Any past U.S. Presidential election The 2021 German federal election”
15155 5y ago
What's "a lot?" A lot relative to a normal day? A lot relative to a BLM rally?
_-david-_ 5y ago
A lot of people deny the 2000 and 2016 elections. Should we ban anybody who questions those election results as well?