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ISPs absolutely should not be in the business of filtering content. At least, not in any country that respects even basic free speech.
by extheat 5y ago
ISPs absolutely should not be in the business of filtering content. At least, not in any country that respects even basic free speech.
- londons_explore 5y agoIf starlink is to be successful, I see it pivoting to being a service provider for ISP's. Then the ISP's can apply whatever filtering or prioritization they require to meet local laws or their business requirements. But the customer would be free to move to another ISP which has different rules.
- andrewinardeer 5y agoCall me old fashioned yet known CSAM sites in my opinion should be blocked at the ISP level.
- mschuster91 5y agoTo the best of my knowledge, dedicated CSAM sites in the clearnet have all but gone - every hoster in the world will cut you off for that, even the "bulletproof" hosters that claim to ignore piracy and dealing in stolen credentials all ban CSAM and legal-but-close content like "lolita" etc. simply because of the attention it draws from law enforcement. They're all on TOR now, and even there they get regularly busted due to shoddy opsec.
- mlindner 5y agoThere's plenty of drawn lolita imagery easily publicly available on the clear net. Primarily because it's legal in many countries. Often times it's only filtered behind going into a settings menu and hitting a checkbox, but usually not even that. Example: Almost any of the various image booru sites have it, usually behind a checkbox.
- dillondoyle 5y agoWho considers CSAM protect free speech?
- sofixa 5y agoWho considers Russian disinformation protected free speech?
- ant6n 5y agoThe US Constitution. Or better, the usual interpretation thereof.
- dillondoyle 5y agoPersonally I don't. It's not speech from an American but rather a foreign country (or sometimes not even a human). And it incites harm, which is one of the restrictions that can be placed on speech.
- Handytinge 5y agoYou support freedom of speech, but only for citizens of your country?
- dillondoyle 5y agoI support other countries establishing free speech laws. And in general the protection of non-US citizen speech within the US, especially foreign reporters. But that doesn't have anything to do with constitutionally protecting 3rd party nations using platforms/speech for propaganda in our (or any other opposing) country. Seems ridiculous on its face to try to confuse or equate the two and argue the point.
- djbebs 5y agoYou're not old fashioned, you're just pro-censorship.
- andrewinardeer 5y agoI'll take that criticism. If preventing people from having websites as easily available to them to watch kids being raped is as easily available as watching YouTube is then I am pro-censorship. I put it to you that most fair minded people are also pro-censorship.
- gameswithgo 5y agoyep, I grew up with the birth of the Internet and total free speech ideology but agree with you now.
- mlindner 5y agoThere aren't "known CSAM sites" lol... If they were known they'd already be taken down. There aren't big scary CSAM sites on the public internet hosted in foreign countries that need blocking.
- h2odragon 5y agoMost of those sites are run by the FBI... gotta have a source for those "multi-state kiddie porn bust" stories they like to trot out every year or so.
- sneak 5y agoThe ISP is not the place to enforce censorship, if you think censorship is warranted: courts and police are. It's a powerful tool (which I personally vehemently oppose) but even if you think censorship has its place, it should be somewhere with oversight, due process, et c. ISPs are not that. The obvious failure mode can be observed presently in Russia.
- andrewinardeer 5y agoIn my country my ISP acts as a censor by poisoning my DNS look ups because of a court ruling.
- gridspy 5y agoYou sound reasonable, but the same tech which can censor one thing can censor other things. It's the thin edge of a wedge.
- gameswithgo 5y agothe tech is there either way
- ed_balls 5y agoTrue, but in war they could add a warning to the website.
- jdrc 5y agoThe best bet is to train end users to use the internet effectively. BigTech has spent the past 15 years laboriously dumbing down its users to become scrolling monkeys.
- samastur 5y agoWe scrolled less (thanks Aza), but were the same monkeys before. People wildly overestimate their critical thinking faculties and how impervious they are to propaganda.
- thelittleone 5y agoI wish this where true, but I disagree. I think you drastically over-estimate the average (particularly non tech) person's will and ability to learn such things.
- jdrc 5y agoThat's because we never adapted and used people's emotional biases to make money. Just because some friend says something doesn't mean it's true - but pointing this out would cost a lot of money
- ed_balls 5y agoand warning is a step forward.
- Proven 5y ago
- phgn 5y agoThe ISPs have no choice in this.