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Assassination of Boris Nemtsov

110 points by mkl95 5y ago

mkl95 5y ago
TLDR: Boris Nemtsov was gunned down in February 2015. His biggest crime was opposing the war in Ukraine.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  - drwoland 5y ago
    The only source for that claim as far as I can tell is conspiracy theorist Wayne Madsen's book https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen_(journalist) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen_(journalist) . So it's probably nonsense.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      Yeah I guess, it does seem implausible they'd be able to fit it in with all the work they have fabricating pretexts to get their own countries involved with wars and invasions and regime change and assassinations.
      - melling 5y ago
        Innuendo is such an effective tool for creating a conspiracy.
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  His second biggest crime was probably saying <<Он ёбнутый... чтоб вы поняли?>> about Putin.
bjoli 5y ago
If you want to continue down the rabbit hole of things pointing in the general direction of Putin being a crook, my favourite is the one about the apartment building bombings used to justify the Chechen war: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings
- glogla 5y ago
  Is Putin a crook or a run-of-the-mill Russian leader? Most of leaders in Russia are like this. Navalny, for example, is ultranationalist who said Crimea and Donbas are 100 % Russian and "should be kept".
  - unmole 5y ago
    If not the whole article, please read the chronology of events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Chronology_of_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Chr... It is completely insane.
    - glogla 5y ago
      > It is completely insane. Oh it is! I would just expect the same from any Russian president, really.
  - timeon 5y ago
    I think that your view is too simplistic. Navalny's views are not that clear [1] - certainly not ultranationalistic. [1]: https://ukraineworld.org/articles/opinions/what-does-aleksey-navalny-really-think-about-ukraine-crimea-and-donbas https://ukraineworld.org/articles/opinions/what-does-aleksey...
    - dogma1138 5y ago
      Navalny is an ultranationalist who run an overtly racist anti immigration campaign when he tried to become the mayor of Moscow. He is a political prisoner however the west should really stop trying to set him up as some sort of savior. The problem with Russia isn’t the politicians it’s the complete lack of any government institutions that facilitate even the slightest shred of collective decision making. Russia now is more autocratic than the USSR ever was because the USSR at least had party politics and the massive bureaucratic machine that needed to be appeased. Russia as a nation is utterly broken it’s far closer to North Korea than to say China. And the worst thing is that I don’t see a way out for them and for us from all of this at all. Taking out Putin isn’t going to fix things it would be a bandaid at most.
sebiw 5y ago
I can highly recommend the TV series "Putin – A Russian Spy Story" for people interested in how Putin came to power and some of the "unanswered questions" along that way.

110 points by mkl95 5y ago

mkl95 5y ago

TLDR: Boris Nemtsov was gunned down in February 2015. His biggest crime was opposing the war in Ukraine.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
- drwoland 5y ago
  The only source for that claim as far as I can tell is conspiracy theorist Wayne Madsen's book https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen_(journalist) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen_(journalist) . So it's probably nonsense.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    Yeah I guess, it does seem implausible they'd be able to fit it in with all the work they have fabricating pretexts to get their own countries involved with wars and invasions and regime change and assassinations.
    - melling 5y ago
      Innuendo is such an effective tool for creating a conspiracy.
selimthegrim 5y ago
His second biggest crime was probably saying <<Он ёбнутый... чтоб вы поняли?>> about Putin.

bjoli 5y ago

If you want to continue down the rabbit hole of things pointing in the general direction of Putin being a crook, my favourite is the one about the apartment building bombings used to justify the Chechen war: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

glogla 5y ago
Is Putin a crook or a run-of-the-mill Russian leader? Most of leaders in Russia are like this. Navalny, for example, is ultranationalist who said Crimea and Donbas are 100 % Russian and "should be kept".
- unmole 5y ago
  If not the whole article, please read the chronology of events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Chronology_of_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Chr... It is completely insane.
  - glogla 5y ago
    > It is completely insane. Oh it is! I would just expect the same from any Russian president, really.
- timeon 5y ago
  I think that your view is too simplistic. Navalny's views are not that clear [1] - certainly not ultranationalistic. [1]: https://ukraineworld.org/articles/opinions/what-does-aleksey-navalny-really-think-about-ukraine-crimea-and-donbas https://ukraineworld.org/articles/opinions/what-does-aleksey...
  - dogma1138 5y ago
    Navalny is an ultranationalist who run an overtly racist anti immigration campaign when he tried to become the mayor of Moscow. He is a political prisoner however the west should really stop trying to set him up as some sort of savior. The problem with Russia isn’t the politicians it’s the complete lack of any government institutions that facilitate even the slightest shred of collective decision making. Russia now is more autocratic than the USSR ever was because the USSR at least had party politics and the massive bureaucratic machine that needed to be appeased. Russia as a nation is utterly broken it’s far closer to North Korea than to say China. And the worst thing is that I don’t see a way out for them and for us from all of this at all. Taking out Putin isn’t going to fix things it would be a bandaid at most.

sebiw 5y ago

I can highly recommend the TV series "Putin – A Russian Spy Story" for people interested in how Putin came to power and some of the "unanswered questions" along that way.