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It is reasonable to say that Donald Trump caused the January 6 insurrection. The bigger issue for platform owners is that the insurrection represents catastroph

by pfisch 5y ago

It is reasonable to say that Donald Trump caused the January 6 insurrection. The bigger issue for platform owners is that the insurrection represents catastrophic risk to them, and it is within their power to prevent it. The social media platforms can't prevent if Russia goes to war with NATO. Censoring the russian official won't do anything.

headsoup 5y ago
How did the 'insurrection' cause catastrophic risk to Twitter?
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Much of it was organized on social media, and many those who participated it used the platforms to live stream and tell more people to come and participate, too.
  - sacrosancty 5y ago
    Isn't that the opposite of catastrophic risk, and instead an opportunity for more active users?
    - headsoup 5y ago
      And is it those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention anyway? It's easy after the fact to lay blame, but interfering in discussion, even heated and wild, is an easy slope into censorship and tyranny.
      - pfisch 5y ago
        Either all of social media should be white supremacist, holocaust denying 4 Chan, or it is those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention.
        moltke 5y ago
        This attitude will push normal people to 4chan. We shouldn't be surprised when Racism and Nationalism make a comeback.
        pfisch 5y ago
        So instead of doing that we should just make the whole internet 4chan? No it won't, not in meaningful numbers. Most people don't want that kind of garbage in their feeds. If they did 4chan would be more popular than Twitter. Most people don't want to have disgusting, antidemocratic viewpoints forced on them by social media. They want to not see that stuff.
        moltke 5y ago
        My boomer parents are now asking me about 4chan because of the censorship (someone in the mainstream was talking about it last year.) People are looking and they'll get sucked into this stuff.
        pfisch 5y ago
        Let them try it, they won't even last an hour after seeing the reality of their censorship free "utopia"
        headsoup 5y ago
        No. What the hell is wrong with all this absolutism. As I mentioned elsewhere, these platforms should have moderation guidelines from the outset that they adhere to. Now they play political games instead. If a platform is too large to be moderated effectively, there needs to be a discussion about what happens next, which indeed is either free-for-all, clear moderation policy or opaque random and easily biased decisions.
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      I imagine they see it the same way they saw Islamic extremist content on their platforms, in that it's a liability despite the engagement.
- pfisch 5y ago
  Jan 6th didn't "cause" catastrophic risk. Events like jan 6th present huge potential risks. If the insurrection had been successful the best case scenario would be economic collapse and possibly civil war in the country where these platforms are based out of. It is likely that many states would reject the sovereignty of the federal government if it didn't honor the outcome of the election, and from there things would quickly spiral out of control. The potential outcome from the end of democracy in the us would entail catastrophic risk for the companies based here.
  - downandout 5y ago
    War being threatened by a nuclear power like Russia carries with it the “catastrophic risk” of the end of the world, with billions of people dead. Even if one were to wholeheartedly believe that the hyperbole in your comment was an entirely plausible outcome of January 6, the Russian tweet is far more dangerous than anything related to the Capital riot. It’s outrageously hypocritical that the Russian official’s account is alive today. They didn’t even slap a warning label on his tweet.
    - pfisch 5y ago
      Except social media can't control if Russia will fire nukes. The Russians don't need to rally a russian mob on social media to goto war at all. Twitter can't prevent this from happening by censoring a russian official.
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      - downandout 5y ago
        They couldn’t control January 6 either. Literally the only people charged with sedition - those who had a plan - were part of an extremist organization that coordinated in person.
        pfisch 5y ago

by pfisch 5y ago

headsoup 5y ago

How did the 'insurrection' cause catastrophic risk to Twitter?

heavyset_go 5y ago
Much of it was organized on social media, and many those who participated it used the platforms to live stream and tell more people to come and participate, too.
- sacrosancty 5y ago
  Isn't that the opposite of catastrophic risk, and instead an opportunity for more active users?
  - headsoup 5y ago
    And is it those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention anyway? It's easy after the fact to lay blame, but interfering in discussion, even heated and wild, is an easy slope into censorship and tyranny.
    - pfisch 5y ago
      Either all of social media should be white supremacist, holocaust denying 4 Chan, or it is those platforms' responsibility to enforce thought-crime intervention.
      - moltke 5y ago
        This attitude will push normal people to 4chan. We shouldn't be surprised when Racism and Nationalism make a comeback.
        pfisch 5y ago
        So instead of doing that we should just make the whole internet 4chan? No it won't, not in meaningful numbers. Most people don't want that kind of garbage in their feeds. If they did 4chan would be more popular than Twitter. Most people don't want to have disgusting, antidemocratic viewpoints forced on them by social media. They want to not see that stuff.
        moltke 5y ago
        My boomer parents are now asking me about 4chan because of the censorship (someone in the mainstream was talking about it last year.) People are looking and they'll get sucked into this stuff.
        pfisch 5y ago
        Let them try it, they won't even last an hour after seeing the reality of their censorship free "utopia"
        headsoup 5y ago
        No. What the hell is wrong with all this absolutism. As I mentioned elsewhere, these platforms should have moderation guidelines from the outset that they adhere to. Now they play political games instead. If a platform is too large to be moderated effectively, there needs to be a discussion about what happens next, which indeed is either free-for-all, clear moderation policy or opaque random and easily biased decisions.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    I imagine they see it the same way they saw Islamic extremist content on their platforms, in that it's a liability despite the engagement.
pfisch 5y ago
Jan 6th didn't "cause" catastrophic risk. Events like jan 6th present huge potential risks. If the insurrection had been successful the best case scenario would be economic collapse and possibly civil war in the country where these platforms are based out of. It is likely that many states would reject the sovereignty of the federal government if it didn't honor the outcome of the election, and from there things would quickly spiral out of control. The potential outcome from the end of democracy in the us would entail catastrophic risk for the companies based here.
- downandout 5y ago
  War being threatened by a nuclear power like Russia carries with it the “catastrophic risk” of the end of the world, with billions of people dead. Even if one were to wholeheartedly believe that the hyperbole in your comment was an entirely plausible outcome of January 6, the Russian tweet is far more dangerous than anything related to the Capital riot. It’s outrageously hypocritical that the Russian official’s account is alive today. They didn’t even slap a warning label on his tweet.
  - pfisch 5y ago
    Except social media can't control if Russia will fire nukes. The Russians don't need to rally a russian mob on social media to goto war at all. Twitter can't prevent this from happening by censoring a russian official.
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    - downandout 5y ago
      They couldn’t control January 6 either. Literally the only people charged with sedition - those who had a plan - were part of an extremist organization that coordinated in person.
      - pfisch 5y ago