3 ms·

>If you'll recall there was a multi year period of mass belief that the president colluded with Russians to steal the election. On the back of very little evide

by jquery 5y ago

>If you'll recall there was a multi year period of mass belief that the president colluded with Russians to steal the election. On the back of very little evidence, other than news heads talking about it and "he said, she said" >There was also a multi year investigation that found nothing, and actually was able to largely disprove documents that helped to kick off the speculation. This is simply untrue: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intell... Even a Republican-backed investigation found many links between Trump campaign advisors and Kremlin officials. Just because Trump says he was "totally exonerated" for the soundbite doesn't mean anything.

adam_arthur 5y ago
"Ties" are irrelevant. The question was whether the president colluded with Russia. Unless you believe him to be a genius or master of stealth, I can assure you 4 years of all media investigations and official investigations would have uncovered anything compelling were it to exist. Also, you can tie most government officials to Russia in some capacity. Everybody in politics is well connected. It was a widely spread conspiracy theory with 0 evidence given a veil of credibility because many talking heads brought it up as if there were something tangible backing it. Just because many people talked about and bought into it doesn't invalidate that it was a conspiracy theory
- jquery 5y ago
  Ties are absolutely relevant when the guy is doing stuff like removing Ukraine aid or Russian sanctions from the Republican platform. Look up Paul Manafort. Nobody is claiming Trump is a genius. The Russian ties are all out there in the open. The only open question was whether they rise to a criminal level. Trump apparently thought they did when he panicked and fired James Comey to halt an investigation. I don’t think the connections were necessarily criminal, just un-American (that of cozying up to corrupt dictators while denigrating allies).

by jquery 5y ago

adam_arthur 5y ago

"Ties" are irrelevant. The question was whether the president colluded with Russia. Unless you believe him to be a genius or master of stealth, I can assure you 4 years of all media investigations and official investigations would have uncovered anything compelling were it to exist. Also, you can tie most government officials to Russia in some capacity. Everybody in politics is well connected. It was a widely spread conspiracy theory with 0 evidence given a veil of credibility because many talking heads brought it up as if there were something tangible backing it. Just because many people talked about and bought into it doesn't invalidate that it was a conspiracy theory

jquery 5y ago
Ties are absolutely relevant when the guy is doing stuff like removing Ukraine aid or Russian sanctions from the Republican platform. Look up Paul Manafort. Nobody is claiming Trump is a genius. The Russian ties are all out there in the open. The only open question was whether they rise to a criminal level. Trump apparently thought they did when he panicked and fired James Comey to halt an investigation. I don’t think the connections were necessarily criminal, just un-American (that of cozying up to corrupt dictators while denigrating allies).