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Russian IT workers sign a petition against the war (in Russian)

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MichaelMoser123 5y ago
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScEsxsoXl_7R4aD5F8-B7fCCBVwU_BXBaOVJsKszbFyRHRkkw/viewform?fbclid=IwAR0Dqth-0tUsyQnJw8aHwTCht09vKb5bakoibddyOwM_PNccVCcLgLcHXU4 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScEsxsoXl_7R4aD5F8-... Here is the petition itself, it was signed by some 33.493 persons, but on the 4/3 they stopped receiving signatures, in light of the new drakonian russian laws... You can get up to 15 years of prison for disseminating 'fake news on russian troups', and Putin signed this into law on the 4/3 https://meduza.io/news/2022/03/04/putin-podpisal-zakon-o-nakazanii-za-feyki-o-deystviyah-rossiyskih-voennyh https://meduza.io/news/2022/03/04/putin-podpisal-zakon-o-nak...
- Klaster_1 5y ago
  Even worse, calls to stop the war or for more sanctions against Russia are now punishable too, retrospectively. As someone who signed the petition in question, I am very concerned about my safety.
  - xrd 5y ago
    I keep reading and reading your comment and cannot shake the sadness. If you have any requests for me to do to help, I will take them. I'm reading the news and unsure what to do to stop this madness.
    - Klaster_1 5y ago
      If anyone needs a frontend developer with 9 years of experience in Angular, howl at my email in the profile. Assisted relocation to EU preferred. But first I have to secure my butt.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    Are you able to leave? I've heard on the grapevine couple of the Russian offshore contractors that work for my employer are trying to get to Georgia and I think one's headed to Armenia.
    - m3nu 5y ago
      Friend of mine left for Kyrgyzstan this morning. Together with his Ukrainian girlfriend. When the plane took off everyone onboard was clapping. Another acquaintance flew his Russian UX designer and family to Dubai this week. At the same time you have Putin defenders who will repeat whatever they hear on state TV. Even during personal conversations.
    - Klaster_1 5y ago
      Yes, for now. Georgia and Armenia are popular destinations at the moment, you can go there without a visa, stay for quite a while and even open a company relatively fast.
  - MichaelMoser123 5y ago
    Still thanks for signing it, you are a very brave person, my respect. On a practical note: I think that in Germany you could get political asylum. The constitution of the FRG mentions this as a basic right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Germany Very sad times, very depressing. Wishing you all the best... This song by Shevchuk comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKwqfNn9Ry8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKwqfNn9Ry8
- throwaway290 5y ago
  Now literally anyone on that list has solid grounds to apply for asylum anywhere in developed world. Threat of prosecution.
bitcharmer 5y ago
Before you down-vote me in pure rage, please read till the end. I appreciate the gesture but this does literally nothing. Even though in current situation standing up to the regime may bring serious consequences signing petitions has the same impact as sending thoughts and prayers. This is Putin, he doesn't care. The majority of Russian population didn't and won't hear about the genocide that he unleashed on Ukraine. Out of those who have, a large portion flat-out denies it as western propaganda. What has to happen is physical presence on the streets. Yes, that will result in mass arrests, then violence, then Russian people dying. In the end, when the change achieves critical mass, the army will join and end Putin's reign. I've seen the events of Romanians freeing themselves from under Nicolae Ceaușescu's boot in person. It's horrific, it's tragic, it's heart breaking. Freedom costs dearly and is paid for in blood and human sacrifice. That has always been the story of peoples' fight for independence. It will happen sooner or later because the next, much stronger incentive for the Russian people to enforce change, will be hunger. This however will happen long after Ukraine is wiped out. Slava Ukrajini.
- thriftwy 5y ago
  The second most popular opinion on the social networks, after "no to the war" (which I agree have been uncontestes number 1) is "the war started 8 years ago, where've you been"
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    ... protesting it all these years.
    - thriftwy 5y ago
      People have been protesting against various things in Russia for 11 years now and they're in full understanding that "it does not work that way". But for the people who thought the tradegy has started unexpectedly on Feb 24th, there's a perspective that the tragedy is ongoing. It was merely renewed for a new season.
- throwaway290 5y ago
Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
Btw calls against the war, spreading non-official information about war (and even calling it 'war') are now criminalised in Russia, up to 15 years in prison. Think of the support Russians have for this 'special operation'.
- tommiegannert 5y ago
  Having to institue panic laws against your own citizens to be able continue doing something opens up for speculation on if this government will exist for 15 more years. The real maximum is probably lower (best-case coup d'état) or higher (coup d'état by the wrong person). The "15 year" may be a very arbitrary duration. A flat bell curve, perhaps. Caveating with: I'm not in a position to blame anyone for not wanting to take the risk of breaking the law, regardless of prison term. Just a thought experiment.
known 5y ago

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https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScEsxsoXl_7R4aD5F8-B7fCCBVwU_BXBaOVJsKszbFyRHRkkw/viewform?fbclid=IwAR0Dqth-0tUsyQnJw8aHwTCht09vKb5bakoibddyOwM_PNccVCcLgLcHXU4 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScEsxsoXl_7R4aD5F8-... Here is the petition itself, it was signed by some 33.493 persons, but on the 4/3 they stopped receiving signatures, in light of the new drakonian russian laws... You can get up to 15 years of prison for disseminating 'fake news on russian troups', and Putin signed this into law on the 4/3 https://meduza.io/news/2022/03/04/putin-podpisal-zakon-o-nakazanii-za-feyki-o-deystviyah-rossiyskih-voennyh https://meduza.io/news/2022/03/04/putin-podpisal-zakon-o-nak...

Klaster_1 5y ago
Even worse, calls to stop the war or for more sanctions against Russia are now punishable too, retrospectively. As someone who signed the petition in question, I am very concerned about my safety.
- xrd 5y ago
  I keep reading and reading your comment and cannot shake the sadness. If you have any requests for me to do to help, I will take them. I'm reading the news and unsure what to do to stop this madness.
  - Klaster_1 5y ago
    If anyone needs a frontend developer with 9 years of experience in Angular, howl at my email in the profile. Assisted relocation to EU preferred. But first I have to secure my butt.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  Are you able to leave? I've heard on the grapevine couple of the Russian offshore contractors that work for my employer are trying to get to Georgia and I think one's headed to Armenia.
  - m3nu 5y ago
    Friend of mine left for Kyrgyzstan this morning. Together with his Ukrainian girlfriend. When the plane took off everyone onboard was clapping. Another acquaintance flew his Russian UX designer and family to Dubai this week. At the same time you have Putin defenders who will repeat whatever they hear on state TV. Even during personal conversations.
  - Klaster_1 5y ago
    Yes, for now. Georgia and Armenia are popular destinations at the moment, you can go there without a visa, stay for quite a while and even open a company relatively fast.
- MichaelMoser123 5y ago
  Still thanks for signing it, you are a very brave person, my respect. On a practical note: I think that in Germany you could get political asylum. The constitution of the FRG mentions this as a basic right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Germany Very sad times, very depressing. Wishing you all the best... This song by Shevchuk comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKwqfNn9Ry8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKwqfNn9Ry8
throwaway290 5y ago
Now literally anyone on that list has solid grounds to apply for asylum anywhere in developed world. Threat of prosecution.

bitcharmer 5y ago

Before you down-vote me in pure rage, please read till the end. I appreciate the gesture but this does literally nothing. Even though in current situation standing up to the regime may bring serious consequences signing petitions has the same impact as sending thoughts and prayers. This is Putin, he doesn't care. The majority of Russian population didn't and won't hear about the genocide that he unleashed on Ukraine. Out of those who have, a large portion flat-out denies it as western propaganda. What has to happen is physical presence on the streets. Yes, that will result in mass arrests, then violence, then Russian people dying. In the end, when the change achieves critical mass, the army will join and end Putin's reign. I've seen the events of Romanians freeing themselves from under Nicolae Ceaușescu's boot in person. It's horrific, it's tragic, it's heart breaking. Freedom costs dearly and is paid for in blood and human sacrifice. That has always been the story of peoples' fight for independence. It will happen sooner or later because the next, much stronger incentive for the Russian people to enforce change, will be hunger. This however will happen long after Ukraine is wiped out. Slava Ukrajini.

thriftwy 5y ago
The second most popular opinion on the social networks, after "no to the war" (which I agree have been uncontestes number 1) is "the war started 8 years ago, where've you been"
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  ... protesting it all these years.
  - thriftwy 5y ago
    People have been protesting against various things in Russia for 11 years now and they're in full understanding that "it does not work that way". But for the people who thought the tradegy has started unexpectedly on Feb 24th, there's a perspective that the tragedy is ongoing. It was merely renewed for a new season.
throwaway290 5y ago

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

Btw calls against the war, spreading non-official information about war (and even calling it 'war') are now criminalised in Russia, up to 15 years in prison. Think of the support Russians have for this 'special operation'.

tommiegannert 5y ago
Having to institue panic laws against your own citizens to be able continue doing something opens up for speculation on if this government will exist for 15 more years. The real maximum is probably lower (best-case coup d'état) or higher (coup d'état by the wrong person). The "15 year" may be a very arbitrary duration. A flat bell curve, perhaps. Caveating with: I'm not in a position to blame anyone for not wanting to take the risk of breaking the law, regardless of prison term. Just a thought experiment.

known 5y ago