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How much does it matter in practice ? If you personally decide to host your own blog from your house, nobody will probably come after you. If you get enough tr

How much does it matter in practice ? If you personally decide to host your own blog from your house, nobody will probably come after you. If you get enough traction, you’ll need to host a whole operation that can be managed by a full staff and serve millions of views every day. There’s now in the picture one or more platform providers, and payment processing that you depend on for your income. A bunch of entities are now allowing you to have your soapbox, that can be swept away at any turn if you’re too much of a problem for any of them. No need to arrest you or kidnap you, “violate your rights”, they just cut your supplies.

judge2020 5y ago
This just shows that many of the policies in China are wanted by many, probably the majority, in society there. The policies are not always used for good, but they are indeed used to stop the spread of harmful misinformation or harmful practices (eg. detox via drinking bleach). In the US, you have the right to say something, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to listen to you or have to help spread your message; if you try, you might find a (possibly large) niche that people are interested in such as “the 2020 election was rigged” or “COVID doesn’t exist” or “the moon landing was filmed on a sound stage”, and you won’t be robbed of your autonomy of movement and speech by being sent to jail or a “re-education camp”.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  More and more I have the feeling that we focus a lot on the freedom to say some political things (“the 2020 election was rigged”), and accept stuff like jail for breaking DRM or life breaking monetary amounts in penalty for copyright infringement as some benign issue we should strive to solve, but if we can’t that’s just too bad, gotta live with it. I’m not saying I’d live in China, but I feel we’re putting too much credit in our own system. Even comparing ourselves to China doesn’t feel productive, we all have our local issues and should probably focus on solving them.
  - undersuit 5y ago
    Streamers on twitch were getting banned for saying the word cracker, temporarily losing their livelihood because of joke outrage from some loosely organized people on Reddit/Twitch. Meanwhile Covid variant Omicron was just about to peak and the amount of misinformation about Covid peaked too. Sacrifice another ~350k Americans and countless others around the globe from our refusal to stop misinformation, I sleep. Save some gamers' mock wounded pride; real stuff. Never saw much misinformation on Twitch to be honest, but they are taking a more active role as of a few days ago: https://safety.twitch.tv/s/safety-news/detail?language=en_US&post=Preventing-Misinformation-Actors-from-Using-Twitch https://safety.twitch.tv/s/safety-news/detail?language=en_US...
another_story 5y ago
I probably did not explain enough in my original post. It's not about having an audience even. It's the right to spin up some storage for encrypted data, run an encrypted matrix node for family, use a VPN, have a small blog for people to follow your travels and thousands of other options afforded non-Chinese nationals. You can't anonymously access information as almost everything is tied to you ID number. You can't buy things, chat, watch TV (smart tvs), or do most anything with any sense of privacy. Living in China as a Chinese means living with a drastically different mindset when it comes to these sorts of things. It's hard to understand how it changes you unless you've lived there.

judge2020 5y ago

This just shows that many of the policies in China are wanted by many, probably the majority, in society there. The policies are not always used for good, but they are indeed used to stop the spread of harmful misinformation or harmful practices (eg. detox via drinking bleach). In the US, you have the right to say something, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to listen to you or have to help spread your message; if you try, you might find a (possibly large) niche that people are interested in such as “the 2020 election was rigged” or “COVID doesn’t exist” or “the moon landing was filmed on a sound stage”, and you won’t be robbed of your autonomy of movement and speech by being sent to jail or a “re-education camp”.

makeitdouble 5y ago
More and more I have the feeling that we focus a lot on the freedom to say some political things (“the 2020 election was rigged”), and accept stuff like jail for breaking DRM or life breaking monetary amounts in penalty for copyright infringement as some benign issue we should strive to solve, but if we can’t that’s just too bad, gotta live with it. I’m not saying I’d live in China, but I feel we’re putting too much credit in our own system. Even comparing ourselves to China doesn’t feel productive, we all have our local issues and should probably focus on solving them.
- undersuit 5y ago
  Streamers on twitch were getting banned for saying the word cracker, temporarily losing their livelihood because of joke outrage from some loosely organized people on Reddit/Twitch. Meanwhile Covid variant Omicron was just about to peak and the amount of misinformation about Covid peaked too. Sacrifice another ~350k Americans and countless others around the globe from our refusal to stop misinformation, I sleep. Save some gamers' mock wounded pride; real stuff. Never saw much misinformation on Twitch to be honest, but they are taking a more active role as of a few days ago: https://safety.twitch.tv/s/safety-news/detail?language=en_US&post=Preventing-Misinformation-Actors-from-Using-Twitch https://safety.twitch.tv/s/safety-news/detail?language=en_US...

another_story 5y ago

I probably did not explain enough in my original post. It's not about having an audience even. It's the right to spin up some storage for encrypted data, run an encrypted matrix node for family, use a VPN, have a small blog for people to follow your travels and thousands of other options afforded non-Chinese nationals. You can't anonymously access information as almost everything is tied to you ID number. You can't buy things, chat, watch TV (smart tvs), or do most anything with any sense of privacy. Living in China as a Chinese means living with a drastically different mindset when it comes to these sorts of things. It's hard to understand how it changes you unless you've lived there.