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The first “protestor” pled to seditious conspiracy just yesterday. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1462481/download https://www.justice.gov/opa/

The first “protestor” pled to seditious conspiracy just yesterday. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1462481/download https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1462481/downl... Likely many other people will be pulled into this if you read the above indictment.

lliamander 5y ago
I'm not sure how many "many" is, but my understanding is the vast majority of people involved were merely trespassing.
- pfisch 5y ago
  Is that what you call this? Trespassing? https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1489691175883882496 https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1489691175883882496
- belltaco 5y ago
  No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJvLIXcuc0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJvLIXcuc0
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  What would you call it if Democrats and BLM protesters had stormed the Capitol in 2017 demanding the vice president be hanged for not agreeing to turn over the election result? Please don't try and with a straight face claim it would be trespassing. I'd have called it insurrection.
  - lliamander 5y ago
    You do realize left-wing protestors did actually destroy a fair bit of DC in 2017, right? And when DC boarded up again in late 2020, it wasn't in fear of right-wing protesters. Anyway, while I do disdain the use of violence for political ends, I do think the events have been exaggerated and misrepresented by the corporate press for political purposes.
    - pfisch 5y ago
      Wasn't their goal to stop the handover of power to Biden? Weren't they using force to achieve that goal by attacking the capitol building to stop congress from being able to proceed? How is that not an attempt to end democracy. An insurrection. The ringleaders seemed to be well aware that the objective was to invalidate the election and keep trump president. How is that not an insurrection?
      - lliamander 5y ago
        Leaving aside the fact that these people believe democracy had already ended, and that they saw themselves as attempting to save democracy, how does this plan actually work? Do they just sit in the capitol and declare Trump king? Maybe hold congress members hostage? Who in the federal government or military is going to go along with that? I just don't see it as a realistic threat to our system of government.
        hatware 5y ago
        But AOC's LIFE was in DANGER! It's pretty wild to see the mass denial of hyperbole... Like folks, do you have any idea what would happen if people really wanted to overthrow the government? You'd be kidnapped before you know what happened.
        pfisch 5y ago
        If they killed the speaker and a bunch of representatives Trump would declare martial law and lock down congress. No handover ever took place and it is very unclear what would happen next. The electoral count act is now out the window entirely and Trump has a bunch of the GOP claiming the election is fraudulent based on no evidence but that doesn't matter. Eventually after Trump has it all set up the house reconvenes and picks Trump as president because GOP has the most delegations and the vote was "fraudulent". All that really needs to happen is to create enough disruption for Trump and his allies to find a way to set aside the vote and let the house pick based on number of delegations. The brooks brothers riot basically did something similar. Created enough disruption to stop a recount.

lliamander 5y ago

I'm not sure how many "many" is, but my understanding is the vast majority of people involved were merely trespassing.

pfisch 5y ago
Is that what you call this? Trespassing? https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1489691175883882496 https://twitter.com/RepLizCheney/status/1489691175883882496
belltaco 5y ago
No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJvLIXcuc0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJvLIXcuc0
rootusrootus 5y ago
What would you call it if Democrats and BLM protesters had stormed the Capitol in 2017 demanding the vice president be hanged for not agreeing to turn over the election result? Please don't try and with a straight face claim it would be trespassing. I'd have called it insurrection.
- lliamander 5y ago
  You do realize left-wing protestors did actually destroy a fair bit of DC in 2017, right? And when DC boarded up again in late 2020, it wasn't in fear of right-wing protesters. Anyway, while I do disdain the use of violence for political ends, I do think the events have been exaggerated and misrepresented by the corporate press for political purposes.
  - pfisch 5y ago
    Wasn't their goal to stop the handover of power to Biden? Weren't they using force to achieve that goal by attacking the capitol building to stop congress from being able to proceed? How is that not an attempt to end democracy. An insurrection. The ringleaders seemed to be well aware that the objective was to invalidate the election and keep trump president. How is that not an insurrection?
    - lliamander 5y ago
      Leaving aside the fact that these people believe democracy had already ended, and that they saw themselves as attempting to save democracy, how does this plan actually work? Do they just sit in the capitol and declare Trump king? Maybe hold congress members hostage? Who in the federal government or military is going to go along with that? I just don't see it as a realistic threat to our system of government.
      - hatware 5y ago
        But AOC's LIFE was in DANGER! It's pretty wild to see the mass denial of hyperbole... Like folks, do you have any idea what would happen if people really wanted to overthrow the government? You'd be kidnapped before you know what happened.
      - pfisch 5y ago
        If they killed the speaker and a bunch of representatives Trump would declare martial law and lock down congress. No handover ever took place and it is very unclear what would happen next. The electoral count act is now out the window entirely and Trump has a bunch of the GOP claiming the election is fraudulent based on no evidence but that doesn't matter. Eventually after Trump has it all set up the house reconvenes and picks Trump as president because GOP has the most delegations and the vote was "fraudulent". All that really needs to happen is to create enough disruption for Trump and his allies to find a way to set aside the vote and let the house pick based on number of delegations. The brooks brothers riot basically did something similar. Created enough disruption to stop a recount.