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> turned from dovish "can't we all just get along" types into rabid "Russia Delenda Est" types Manufactured consent.

inglor_cz 5y ago
This kind of sharp ideological turn is typical for outbreak of wars. From what I have read, both the 1870 Prussian-French war and the outbreak of WWI in 1914 were followed by huge outpouring of militarist attitudes, even though there wasn't even radio (much less TV or Internet) and most common people didn't read newspapers, or rarely so. We seem to have a collective subroutine for turning into murderous apes in our societal firmware. It was probably adaptive once. It may not be as adaptive in the nuclear age.
jazzyjackson 5y ago
I agree with Chomsky on a lot of things, don’t think I need to watch CNN or read the New York Times to take Ukraine’s side on this one. The international condemnation and lock step sanctions, is that the media’s doing? Or is it the consequence of Russia being the aggressor? I agree with my sibling, opinions tend to stiffen up when war breaks out, with or without the radio.
- warner_of_doom 5y ago
  https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/congress-has-remo...
- cuteboy19 5y ago
  It is important to remember that Chomsky has repeatedly supported actual genocides so long as the person committing the genocides was anti western in some way. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial
  - warner_of_doom 5y ago
    Dude. This is just not true. He didn't deny genocide. There are many reasons not to like Chomsky. I don't like him as of late. But, genocide-denial isn't one of them.
    - cuteboy19 5y ago
      You can literally read it. He denied the genocide while it was going on. He later gave a notpology but that doesnt change that he denied it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chomsky_and_Herman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chom...
      - warner_of_doom 5y ago
        Where in that does he deny it? LOL. Agenda much?
- warner_of_doom 5y ago
  Have you looked into what started this crisis in 2014?
  - tim333 5y ago
    Seems to be mostly the people of Ukraine being pissed off with their government going by the Wikipedia write up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
    - warner_of_doom 5y ago
      https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia?s=r https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia...
- publicola1990 5y ago
  It may appear so from the west for someone who is mostly depending upon major Western news sources, but in the larger context, many countries including Israel, Mexico, South Africa, Pakistan and many major Middle Eastern Nations are refusing to join in sanctions or even in trying to condemn Russian actions and is essentially seeing the conflict from a neutral perspective. Condemning Russia and trying to sanction them is not a universal policy among nations.
  - deleted 5y ago
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This kind of sharp ideological turn is typical for outbreak of wars. From what I have read, both the 1870 Prussian-French war and the outbreak of WWI in 1914 were followed by huge outpouring of militarist attitudes, even though there wasn't even radio (much less TV or Internet) and most common people didn't read newspapers, or rarely so. We seem to have a collective subroutine for turning into murderous apes in our societal firmware. It was probably adaptive once. It may not be as adaptive in the nuclear age.

jazzyjackson 5y ago

I agree with Chomsky on a lot of things, don’t think I need to watch CNN or read the New York Times to take Ukraine’s side on this one. The international condemnation and lock step sanctions, is that the media’s doing? Or is it the consequence of Russia being the aggressor? I agree with my sibling, opinions tend to stiffen up when war breaks out, with or without the radio.

warner_of_doom 5y ago
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/congress-has-remo...
cuteboy19 5y ago
It is important to remember that Chomsky has repeatedly supported actual genocides so long as the person committing the genocides was anti western in some way. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial
- warner_of_doom 5y ago
  Dude. This is just not true. He didn't deny genocide. There are many reasons not to like Chomsky. I don't like him as of late. But, genocide-denial isn't one of them.
  - cuteboy19 5y ago
    You can literally read it. He denied the genocide while it was going on. He later gave a notpology but that doesnt change that he denied it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chomsky_and_Herman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chom...
    - warner_of_doom 5y ago
      Where in that does he deny it? LOL. Agenda much?
warner_of_doom 5y ago
Have you looked into what started this crisis in 2014?
- tim333 5y ago
  Seems to be mostly the people of Ukraine being pissed off with their government going by the Wikipedia write up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
  - warner_of_doom 5y ago
    https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia?s=r https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia...
publicola1990 5y ago
It may appear so from the west for someone who is mostly depending upon major Western news sources, but in the larger context, many countries including Israel, Mexico, South Africa, Pakistan and many major Middle Eastern Nations are refusing to join in sanctions or even in trying to condemn Russian actions and is essentially seeing the conflict from a neutral perspective. Condemning Russia and trying to sanction them is not a universal policy among nations.
- deleted 5y ago
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