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There is one major character to Jewish populations that seems to help them in science. ... they're quite reverent towards education What about Ashkenazi-Jewish

There is one major character to Jewish populations that seems to help them in science. ... they're quite reverent towards education What about Ashkenazi-Jewish IQ? http://www.vdare.com/rushton/080616_lynn.htm http://www.vdare.com/rushton/080616_lynn.htm seven studies of Jews in Britain yield a median IQ of 110. ... In Canada too, there is an IQ hierarchy: Jews (109), ... These results are remarkably consistent over time, place, and situation ... in How to explain high Jewish achievement: The role of intelligence and values, an article published in Personality and Individual Differences, by Lynn and Satoshi Kanazawa (PDF), we showed that only IQ had predictive value when pitted against values theories.

DaniFong 18y ago
There are a few discrepancies. I'm not aware of studies done in Israel, for example, although for some reason the authors of the Bell Curve were very willing to color in those lines. As far as I know you can't really separate the IQ gap with the fact that you have an immigrant population. For example, the initial tests of Chinese immigrants in San Francisco showed an IQ of 103 (adjusted for the Flynn effect). Later tests of second and third generation Chinese in America highlighted an IQ of around 98. In other words, there was a 5 point swing as people got settled. If there's a culture where people hadn't gotten settled, (and haven't really been given the chance) it's the Jews. But I expect the differences in attitudes toward academics and effort more than supersede and natural advantage that might exist. Cite: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/12/17/071217crbo_books_gladwell http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/12/17/07121...
- DabAsteroid 18y ago
  I'm not aware of [IQ] studies done in Israel They are not hard to find. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality finds an average British-relative IQ of 95 for Israel, from several studies. Appendix 1 of the 2002 book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" cites two IQ studies of Israel: Around 1975, norms for the American Lorge-Thorndike Test were collected for 180 10- to 12-year-olds by Miron (1977). The mean IQ was 100. In order to adjust for the 11-year interval between the two standardizations, this needs to be reduced to 98. In relation to a British IQ of 100, this needs to be reduced by one further point to 97. Around 1989, data for the Standard Progressive Matrices for 1,740 9- to 15-year-olds were collected by Kaniel and Fisherman (1991). In relation to the British 1979 standardization sample, their IQ was 92. To adjust for the 10-year interval between the two years of data collection, this needs to be reduced to 90. The average of the results gives an IQ of 94 for Israel. . DaniFong wrote: although for some reason the authors of the Bell Curve were very willing to color in those lines. There is no mention of Israel in The Bell Curve (other than a single instance indirectly in a summation of a competing theory from John Ogbu who notes that, in Israel, Sephardic jews have lower attainment than Ashkenazic jews). What do you mean by "color in those lines"? Here is Rushton summarizing Lynn's 2006 explanation of the Israel anomaly: http://www.vdare.com/rushton/060322_iq.htm http://www.vdare.com/rushton/060322_iq.htm Another anomaly: the average IQ of Israel is only about 95—substantially higher than the median IQ of 85 found elsewhere in the region, but much lower than the average IQ of Jews outside of Israel, estimated at between 108 and 115. Lynn breaks the Israeli IQ into three components: 40 percent Ashkenazim (European Jewish) with a mean IQ of 103; 40 percent Sephardim (Oriental Jewish) with a mean IQ of 91; and 20 percent Arab with a mean IQ of 86, which is virtually the same as that of Arabs elsewhere. Lynn suggests these differences could have arisen from selective migration (more intelligent Jews emigrated to Britain and the USA), intermarriage with different IQ populations (those in Europe versus those in North Africa), selective survival through persecution (European Jews were the most persecuted), and the inclusion of ethnic non-Jews among the Ashkenazim in Israel as a result of the immigration of people from the former Soviet Bloc countries who posed as Jews.
ReverendBayes 18y ago
showed that only IQ had predictive value when pitted against values theories. How you control for values? If I value taking peoples money by force because I feel like it my intelligence will negate that values effect on my life outcome?
- DabAsteroid 18y ago
  How you control for values? Here is the full-text (free of charge) PDF of the 2007 Lynn/Kanazawa paper: http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/MES/pdf/PAID2008.pdf http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/MES/pdf/PAID2008.pdf The cultural values of the respondents are measured by their responses to a question on the values parents would most like in their children. The survey gives 13 values and asks respondents to identify the one that they would most like their children to have, and also the three they would most like their children to have. These were the values surveyed: Success Studiousness Amicability Cleanliness Considerateness Control Honesty Interest Judgment Manners Obedience Responsibility Sex role Table 1 gives the percentages of the respondents endorsing each of the 13 values they would most like their children to have, for the ﬁve religious categories. ... There are only two values in which Jews are signiﬁcantly different from others. These are honesty, which Jews desire in their children less than others, and judgment, which Jews desire in their children more than others. ... Table 2 gives similar results for values being one of the three most important that the respondents would most like their children to have. ... There are eight values in which Jews are signiﬁcantly different from others. Jews attach less importance to cleanliness, honesty, manners and obedience, but they attach more importance to considerateness, interest in how and why things happen, judgment and responsibility. ... the results do not provide any evidence for the theory that Jews attach more importance to success or to studiousness than non-Jews. In fact Jews attach less importance to success and to studiousness than non-Jews in the results set out in both Tables 1 and 2, although the differences between Jews and non-Jewish are not statistically significant. ... Jews do attach more importance to four values than non-Jews. These are considerateness, interest in how and why things happen, judgment, and responsibility, but it is not easy to see how these would contribute to the success of Jews in virtually all walks of life.
  - 18y ago

DaniFong 18y ago

There are a few discrepancies. I'm not aware of studies done in Israel, for example, although for some reason the authors of the Bell Curve were very willing to color in those lines. As far as I know you can't really separate the IQ gap with the fact that you have an immigrant population. For example, the initial tests of Chinese immigrants in San Francisco showed an IQ of 103 (adjusted for the Flynn effect). Later tests of second and third generation Chinese in America highlighted an IQ of around 98. In other words, there was a 5 point swing as people got settled. If there's a culture where people hadn't gotten settled, (and haven't really been given the chance) it's the Jews. But I expect the differences in attitudes toward academics and effort more than supersede and natural advantage that might exist. Cite: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/12/17/071217crbo_books_gladwell http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/12/17/07121...

DabAsteroid 18y ago
I'm not aware of [IQ] studies done in Israel They are not hard to find. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality finds an average British-relative IQ of 95 for Israel, from several studies. Appendix 1 of the 2002 book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" cites two IQ studies of Israel: Around 1975, norms for the American Lorge-Thorndike Test were collected for 180 10- to 12-year-olds by Miron (1977). The mean IQ was 100. In order to adjust for the 11-year interval between the two standardizations, this needs to be reduced to 98. In relation to a British IQ of 100, this needs to be reduced by one further point to 97. Around 1989, data for the Standard Progressive Matrices for 1,740 9- to 15-year-olds were collected by Kaniel and Fisherman (1991). In relation to the British 1979 standardization sample, their IQ was 92. To adjust for the 10-year interval between the two years of data collection, this needs to be reduced to 90. The average of the results gives an IQ of 94 for Israel. . DaniFong wrote: although for some reason the authors of the Bell Curve were very willing to color in those lines. There is no mention of Israel in The Bell Curve (other than a single instance indirectly in a summation of a competing theory from John Ogbu who notes that, in Israel, Sephardic jews have lower attainment than Ashkenazic jews). What do you mean by "color in those lines"? Here is Rushton summarizing Lynn's 2006 explanation of the Israel anomaly: http://www.vdare.com/rushton/060322_iq.htm http://www.vdare.com/rushton/060322_iq.htm Another anomaly: the average IQ of Israel is only about 95—substantially higher than the median IQ of 85 found elsewhere in the region, but much lower than the average IQ of Jews outside of Israel, estimated at between 108 and 115. Lynn breaks the Israeli IQ into three components: 40 percent Ashkenazim (European Jewish) with a mean IQ of 103; 40 percent Sephardim (Oriental Jewish) with a mean IQ of 91; and 20 percent Arab with a mean IQ of 86, which is virtually the same as that of Arabs elsewhere. Lynn suggests these differences could have arisen from selective migration (more intelligent Jews emigrated to Britain and the USA), intermarriage with different IQ populations (those in Europe versus those in North Africa), selective survival through persecution (European Jews were the most persecuted), and the inclusion of ethnic non-Jews among the Ashkenazim in Israel as a result of the immigration of people from the former Soviet Bloc countries who posed as Jews.

ReverendBayes 18y ago

showed that only IQ had predictive value when pitted against values theories. How you control for values? If I value taking peoples money by force because I feel like it my intelligence will negate that values effect on my life outcome?

DabAsteroid 18y ago
How you control for values? Here is the full-text (free of charge) PDF of the 2007 Lynn/Kanazawa paper: http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/MES/pdf/PAID2008.pdf http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/MES/pdf/PAID2008.pdf The cultural values of the respondents are measured by their responses to a question on the values parents would most like in their children. The survey gives 13 values and asks respondents to identify the one that they would most like their children to have, and also the three they would most like their children to have. These were the values surveyed: Success Studiousness Amicability Cleanliness Considerateness Control Honesty Interest Judgment Manners Obedience Responsibility Sex role Table 1 gives the percentages of the respondents endorsing each of the 13 values they would most like their children to have, for the ﬁve religious categories. ... There are only two values in which Jews are signiﬁcantly different from others. These are honesty, which Jews desire in their children less than others, and judgment, which Jews desire in their children more than others. ... Table 2 gives similar results for values being one of the three most important that the respondents would most like their children to have. ... There are eight values in which Jews are signiﬁcantly different from others. Jews attach less importance to cleanliness, honesty, manners and obedience, but they attach more importance to considerateness, interest in how and why things happen, judgment and responsibility. ... the results do not provide any evidence for the theory that Jews attach more importance to success or to studiousness than non-Jews. In fact Jews attach less importance to success and to studiousness than non-Jews in the results set out in both Tables 1 and 2, although the differences between Jews and non-Jewish are not statistically significant. ... Jews do attach more importance to four values than non-Jews. These are considerateness, interest in how and why things happen, judgment, and responsibility, but it is not easy to see how these would contribute to the success of Jews in virtually all walks of life.
- 18y ago