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I think the anger is also understandable, there have been so many illegal wars, interventions and invasions that didn’t cause all these bans. If I were in Russi

I think the anger is also understandable, there have been so many illegal wars, interventions and invasions that didn’t cause all these bans. If I were in Russia I’d probably be easily swept up by that anger. It’d be hard to see how it’s fair when this is happening to you, even if it feels deserved from an outside perspective.

pastor_bob 5y ago
Your sentiment is normally valid, but most Russians supposedly literally don't believe they're at war because of the content Putin feeds them. They think it's a small operation in the Donbas. It has nothing to do with being 'illegal' or whatever.
- waffleiron 5y ago
  Do you have a (recent) source for that? I can’t imagine that to be true with the impact this war has had on daily life for Russian. The Russian government acknowledged that hundreds of soldiers died, publicly. That’s not a tiny mission.
arcticbull 5y ago
> I think the anger is also understandable, there have been so many illegal wars, interventions and invasions that didn’t cause all these bans. "But mom, they got to do crime, why can't I do crime?" Nobody gets to do crime.
- waffleiron 5y ago
  But not everyone gets punished for it.
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    I guess because the Zodiac killer got away with it, people should be mad they can't serial kill too - instead of mad that they weren't caught?
- odessacubbage 5y ago
  one despot's crime is another hegemon's police action
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  Obviously superpowers get to do crime, Russia just mistakenly thought it was a superpower.
- kelnos 5y ago
  I mean, sure. But I think it's perfectly natural to get pissed off when some other party punishes you for doing something that other party does repeatedly, and without consequence. I imagine that there are plenty of Russian citizens who are against the war in Ukraine, but are also -- perfectly rationally -- angry at the US and West for the new round of sanctions and restrictions.
commandlinefan 5y ago
> there have been so many illegal wars Is this even an "illegal" war? I mean, other than by the standard of "every war is an illegal war"? Not taking sides (I don't know enough about the history and politics to do so), but I know Ukraine was part of Russia until very recently. If, somehow, Mexico had the means to do so and were to try to "take back" Texas... I can't help but wonder if the international response would be a lot more neutral than the response to Russia trying to "take back" Ukraine.

pastor_bob 5y ago

Your sentiment is normally valid, but most Russians supposedly literally don't believe they're at war because of the content Putin feeds them. They think it's a small operation in the Donbas. It has nothing to do with being 'illegal' or whatever.

waffleiron 5y ago
Do you have a (recent) source for that? I can’t imagine that to be true with the impact this war has had on daily life for Russian. The Russian government acknowledged that hundreds of soldiers died, publicly. That’s not a tiny mission.

arcticbull 5y ago

> I think the anger is also understandable, there have been so many illegal wars, interventions and invasions that didn’t cause all these bans. "But mom, they got to do crime, why can't I do crime?" Nobody gets to do crime.

waffleiron 5y ago
But not everyone gets punished for it.
- arcticbull 5y ago
  I guess because the Zodiac killer got away with it, people should be mad they can't serial kill too - instead of mad that they weren't caught?
odessacubbage 5y ago
one despot's crime is another hegemon's police action
jazzyjackson 5y ago
Obviously superpowers get to do crime, Russia just mistakenly thought it was a superpower.
kelnos 5y ago
I mean, sure. But I think it's perfectly natural to get pissed off when some other party punishes you for doing something that other party does repeatedly, and without consequence. I imagine that there are plenty of Russian citizens who are against the war in Ukraine, but are also -- perfectly rationally -- angry at the US and West for the new round of sanctions and restrictions.

commandlinefan 5y ago

> there have been so many illegal wars Is this even an "illegal" war? I mean, other than by the standard of "every war is an illegal war"? Not taking sides (I don't know enough about the history and politics to do so), but I know Ukraine was part of Russia until very recently. If, somehow, Mexico had the means to do so and were to try to "take back" Texas... I can't help but wonder if the international response would be a lot more neutral than the response to Russia trying to "take back" Ukraine.