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Eehhhh... do you think most Western Europeans don't know what's going on?

by sib 5y ago

mytailorisrich 5y ago
I don't know what's really going on, only at best an approximation because all the reports I have access to are biased in some way. It's important to recognise this.
- colpabar 5y ago
  Thank you for saying this. I really can't stand the "west good, everyone else bad" arrogance I see here sometimes. Western rulers lie to their people too! As an exercise, search for "the ghost of kyiv" and then try to imagine what the headlines would look like if it were a actually a fake russian story about a russian pilot instead of a ukrainian one.
  - sofixa 5y ago
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    - colpabar 5y ago
      I give a shit, and with all the talk of how dangerous misinformation is, it seems like a lot of people should. At least, that is what we’re told. I can kind of understand the notion that it’s meant to boost morale, but the idea that western media outlets can now claim misinformation is ok when they do it, especially considering they very often claim that it is a “threat to our democracy.” Also, are you implying that I’m an agent of russia? I know people in the ukraine, and I am not happy at all about what’s happening, so fuck you.
      - sofixa 5y ago
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- lostmsu 5y ago
  The difference is that you can still see first hand reports from individuals in Russia. But all media in the state has to repeat what government says or be banned like Echo of Moscow. Since this morning individuals will be jailed too, but I doubt it would be impossible to find someone defying this new law.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    It usually always possible to see the negative aspects of the other side. After all, that's what your side wants you to see. But it's hard to see the negative aspects of your side. For instance, did you know that the Ukrainians essentially executed an Israeli civilian at a checkpoint because they though he was Chechen? Our media pick and choose what they report and how they report it.

Eehhhh... do you think most Western Europeans don't know what's going on?

by sib 5y ago

Eehhhh... do you think most Western Europeans don't know what's going on?

I don't know what's really going on, only at best an approximation because all the reports I have access to are biased in some way. It's important to recognise this.

colpabar 5y ago
Thank you for saying this. I really can't stand the "west good, everyone else bad" arrogance I see here sometimes. Western rulers lie to their people too! As an exercise, search for "the ghost of kyiv" and then try to imagine what the headlines would look like if it were a actually a fake russian story about a russian pilot instead of a ukrainian one.
- sofixa 5y ago
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  - colpabar 5y ago
    I give a shit, and with all the talk of how dangerous misinformation is, it seems like a lot of people should. At least, that is what we’re told. I can kind of understand the notion that it’s meant to boost morale, but the idea that western media outlets can now claim misinformation is ok when they do it, especially considering they very often claim that it is a “threat to our democracy.” Also, are you implying that I’m an agent of russia? I know people in the ukraine, and I am not happy at all about what’s happening, so fuck you.
    - sofixa 5y ago
      [flagged]
lostmsu 5y ago
The difference is that you can still see first hand reports from individuals in Russia. But all media in the state has to repeat what government says or be banned like Echo of Moscow. Since this morning individuals will be jailed too, but I doubt it would be impossible to find someone defying this new law.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  It usually always possible to see the negative aspects of the other side. After all, that's what your side wants you to see. But it's hard to see the negative aspects of your side. For instance, did you know that the Ukrainians essentially executed an Israeli civilian at a checkpoint because they though he was Chechen? Our media pick and choose what they report and how they report it.