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I am all for making Poland and the Baltics a hard red-line front that we protect against Russia. But, taking Ukraine from Russia in this non-neutral manner is j

I am all for making Poland and the Baltics a hard red-line front that we protect against Russia. But, taking Ukraine from Russia in this non-neutral manner is just wrong. We can easily hold the Polish and Baltic fronts. And, Russia can live with that too. We can then trade as usual.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> But, taking Ukraine from Russia in this non-neutral manner Taking Ukraine from Russia? What have Russia the right to take Ukraine from (checks) Ukraine?
- georgia_peach 5y ago
  The same "right" the US would have had with Cuba if Khrushchev didn't remove the missiles, or the same "right" the US exercises when a small country with oil ponders denominating it in a different currency.
  - warner_of_doom 5y ago
  - KptMarchewa 5y ago
    And US was also fucking wrong. Imperialism is evil.
    - georgia_peach 5y ago
      Agreed. You have to ask yourself though: Why is the Western media so intent on cleaning Russia's house, while vehemently denying, dutifully downplaying, the West's own squalor? It is a truly striking example of "the beam and the mote." After we remove the beam from our own eye, I will be glad to address Russia's splinter.
      - mantas 5y ago
        Coming from ex-USSR, West's issues are minuscule compared to the ones that Russia brings. I love having petty first world problems compared to what people 100km east from me deals. It's just entirely different leagues of issues. And reading Western media, it usually downplays Russian issues and present West's much bolder than they truly are.
    - mantas 5y ago
      At the same time US supported right of self determination after WW1. That allowed many small states to pop up in eastern/central europe. Which, IMO, was the last nail in the coffin of several empires.
- 331c8c71 5y ago
  What gives US the right to take Ukraine from Ukraine? Thats where the story started
  - warner_of_doom 5y ago
  - mcphage 5y ago
    > Thats where the story started Did I miss the bit where the US invaded Ukraine in effort to take it over?
    - warner_of_doom 5y ago
    - 331c8c71 5y ago
      - warner_of_doom 5y ago
        Even the "pro-Ukrainian" population in Ukraine has sought neutrality in the US-Russian conflict but American regime-control and regime-change operations ensured that whoever came to power would have to kowtow to American demands. This is a proxy-war. Plain and simple.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> But, taking Ukraine from Russia in this non-neutral manner Taking Ukraine from Russia? What have Russia the right to take Ukraine from (checks) Ukraine?

georgia_peach 5y ago
The same "right" the US would have had with Cuba if Khrushchev didn't remove the missiles, or the same "right" the US exercises when a small country with oil ponders denominating it in a different currency.
- warner_of_doom 5y ago
- KptMarchewa 5y ago
  And US was also fucking wrong. Imperialism is evil.
  - georgia_peach 5y ago
    Agreed. You have to ask yourself though: Why is the Western media so intent on cleaning Russia's house, while vehemently denying, dutifully downplaying, the West's own squalor? It is a truly striking example of "the beam and the mote." After we remove the beam from our own eye, I will be glad to address Russia's splinter.
    - mantas 5y ago
      Coming from ex-USSR, West's issues are minuscule compared to the ones that Russia brings. I love having petty first world problems compared to what people 100km east from me deals. It's just entirely different leagues of issues. And reading Western media, it usually downplays Russian issues and present West's much bolder than they truly are.
  - mantas 5y ago
    At the same time US supported right of self determination after WW1. That allowed many small states to pop up in eastern/central europe. Which, IMO, was the last nail in the coffin of several empires.
331c8c71 5y ago
What gives US the right to take Ukraine from Ukraine? Thats where the story started
- warner_of_doom 5y ago
- mcphage 5y ago
  > Thats where the story started Did I miss the bit where the US invaded Ukraine in effort to take it over?
  - warner_of_doom 5y ago
  - 331c8c71 5y ago
    - warner_of_doom 5y ago
      Even the "pro-Ukrainian" population in Ukraine has sought neutrality in the US-Russian conflict but American regime-control and regime-change operations ensured that whoever came to power would have to kowtow to American demands. This is a proxy-war. Plain and simple.