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"bro" we put sanctions on the gov not to hurt your everyday Ivan. Its not like they live in a democracy and russians can just do anything about their dictator g

"bro" we put sanctions on the gov not to hurt your everyday Ivan. Its not like they live in a democracy and russians can just do anything about their dictator gov.

isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
The sanctions most definitely were, are, should and will be targeting much more than the government.
- dhsysusbsjsi 5y ago
  Unfortunately this is true - apathy or indifference with the leader forms partial complicity with the actions in Ukraine. Even if only 1%. The economic success of an individual contributes to the evil leader's actions by providing money and resources to the military as taxes (etc). It's sad but until a million people march on Putin and hang him from the yard arm to restore their beautiful nation and start restoration payments to Ukraine, the sanctions need to be very heavy and target the entire country as a whole. Sad situation.
  - iExploder 5y ago
    not sure this is realistic million people get together? you need some kind of leadership. this mean u have someone u can aim your snipers at / throw KGB at to disappear into a gulag and never be seen again... russia is not exactly usa where you are free to buy assault rifles in grocery store, or where you can buy even a small gun for that matter... its not like bunch of guys decide to storm Kremlin over the weekend and magically overthrow the gov I mean it happened in russia in the past, but it was literally at a cost of several millions dead, not sure if this is the right solution
    - gota 5y ago
      It is entirely realistic and has happened several times in modern history, at least a few in the last decade Two examples of not "single leader" protests happened in 2013, in Brazil and Turkey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests P.S.: I don't have an opinion regarding whether Russian people are "responsible" for staying in Russia and "fixing" their government, but I upvoted everyone answering to this part of the thread/topic in a civil manner. Not many other places I could witness a discussion like this that does not degrade into insults
      - iExploder 5y ago
        I was talking in context of russia. of course protests happen everywhere sometimes they have a result sometimes not. but look at russia's history and how they deal with people who try to stir things up..
  - smugglerFlynn 5y ago
    I think this is an overly simple answer to a complex dynamic. If you invest time researching victimization, you will understand why victims are usually not in a position of power to decide their fate. Some even actively support the perpetrators — that’s not a sign of a real will, but a symptom of submission. All this is achieved by perpetrator through fear and manipulation. There is a reason why societies keep ending in this kind of situation, and this reason is not a lack of will to “stop the abuse”. Human mind has dozens of biases, those who exploit them and add physical abuse to the mix very often end up on top. In USSR this exploitation was made into an art, especially at earlier times (30s and 40s).

"bro" we put sanctions on the gov not to hurt your everyday Ivan. Its not like they live in a democracy and russians can just do anything about their dictator gov.

isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago

The sanctions most definitely were, are, should and will be targeting much more than the government.

dhsysusbsjsi 5y ago
Unfortunately this is true - apathy or indifference with the leader forms partial complicity with the actions in Ukraine. Even if only 1%. The economic success of an individual contributes to the evil leader's actions by providing money and resources to the military as taxes (etc). It's sad but until a million people march on Putin and hang him from the yard arm to restore their beautiful nation and start restoration payments to Ukraine, the sanctions need to be very heavy and target the entire country as a whole. Sad situation.
- iExploder 5y ago
  not sure this is realistic million people get together? you need some kind of leadership. this mean u have someone u can aim your snipers at / throw KGB at to disappear into a gulag and never be seen again... russia is not exactly usa where you are free to buy assault rifles in grocery store, or where you can buy even a small gun for that matter... its not like bunch of guys decide to storm Kremlin over the weekend and magically overthrow the gov I mean it happened in russia in the past, but it was literally at a cost of several millions dead, not sure if this is the right solution
  - gota 5y ago
    It is entirely realistic and has happened several times in modern history, at least a few in the last decade Two examples of not "single leader" protests happened in 2013, in Brazil and Turkey https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests P.S.: I don't have an opinion regarding whether Russian people are "responsible" for staying in Russia and "fixing" their government, but I upvoted everyone answering to this part of the thread/topic in a civil manner. Not many other places I could witness a discussion like this that does not degrade into insults
    - iExploder 5y ago
      I was talking in context of russia. of course protests happen everywhere sometimes they have a result sometimes not. but look at russia's history and how they deal with people who try to stir things up..
- smugglerFlynn 5y ago
  I think this is an overly simple answer to a complex dynamic. If you invest time researching victimization, you will understand why victims are usually not in a position of power to decide their fate. Some even actively support the perpetrators — that’s not a sign of a real will, but a symptom of submission. All this is achieved by perpetrator through fear and manipulation. There is a reason why societies keep ending in this kind of situation, and this reason is not a lack of will to “stop the abuse”. Human mind has dozens of biases, those who exploit them and add physical abuse to the mix very often end up on top. In USSR this exploitation was made into an art, especially at earlier times (30s and 40s).