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I think this looks good on the surface but I can’t help but think about how it will end up burying the problem deeper. What if someone doesn’t want help? We sh

I think this looks good on the surface but I can’t help but think about how it will end up burying the problem deeper. What if someone doesn’t want help? We shouldn’t be forcing anyone to do anything.

mulmen 5y ago
> What if someone doesn’t want help? I don’t care. You can’t live in the park. That’s not a valid lifestyle choice. We should expand systems to prevent homelessness in the first place but once that point is reached “no thanks” is no longer an acceptable response to offers for help.
- GeoAtreides 5y ago
  >That’s not a valid lifestyle choice. > that point is reached “no thanks” is no longer an acceptable response to offers for help. On this path lies a terrifying dystopia. For example, I find smoking and eating ultra-processed food an incredibly invalid lifestyle choice; doctors agree with me. Should we also mandate forced smoking addiction treatment and diet watching?
  - steveylang 5y ago
    We have laws prohibiting smoking indoors in public places. When your actions affect the lives of others, that's when they are subject to potential legal/judicial intervention. Certain segments of the homeless population have become a significant public safety issue in many parts of California, that is what is driving this. Leaving the extremely mentally ill/drug addicts to essentially rot and die on the street is not a solution for anyone. I'm not saying all homeless people fall into this category, but this is the segment that is driving this change.
  - mulmen 5y ago
    The terrifying dystopia is already here. Try walking or taking a bus from King Street Station to Third and Virginia in Seattle without seeing human excrement and tarp shelters. The area is completely unusable. Try eating a sandwich for lunch in Pioneer Square, or in Denny Park. That I don't feel safe traveling through my own city because it is overrun by mentally unstable people is unacceptable. Neither they nor I should live like this. We have rules and norms in a civilization. When we ignore real problems like mental health everyone suffers and those norms break down. I am not in favor of adjusting our norms to include "well you can't use public spaces because we don't care about mental health".
    - dijonman2 5y ago
      Washington state is a woke shithole. Move to Texas or Florida and be reminded of what normalcy is.
- xfitm3 5y ago

mulmen 5y ago

> What if someone doesn’t want help? I don’t care. You can’t live in the park. That’s not a valid lifestyle choice. We should expand systems to prevent homelessness in the first place but once that point is reached “no thanks” is no longer an acceptable response to offers for help.

GeoAtreides 5y ago
>That’s not a valid lifestyle choice. > that point is reached “no thanks” is no longer an acceptable response to offers for help. On this path lies a terrifying dystopia. For example, I find smoking and eating ultra-processed food an incredibly invalid lifestyle choice; doctors agree with me. Should we also mandate forced smoking addiction treatment and diet watching?
- steveylang 5y ago
  We have laws prohibiting smoking indoors in public places. When your actions affect the lives of others, that's when they are subject to potential legal/judicial intervention. Certain segments of the homeless population have become a significant public safety issue in many parts of California, that is what is driving this. Leaving the extremely mentally ill/drug addicts to essentially rot and die on the street is not a solution for anyone. I'm not saying all homeless people fall into this category, but this is the segment that is driving this change.
- mulmen 5y ago
  The terrifying dystopia is already here. Try walking or taking a bus from King Street Station to Third and Virginia in Seattle without seeing human excrement and tarp shelters. The area is completely unusable. Try eating a sandwich for lunch in Pioneer Square, or in Denny Park. That I don't feel safe traveling through my own city because it is overrun by mentally unstable people is unacceptable. Neither they nor I should live like this. We have rules and norms in a civilization. When we ignore real problems like mental health everyone suffers and those norms break down. I am not in favor of adjusting our norms to include "well you can't use public spaces because we don't care about mental health".
  - dijonman2 5y ago
    Washington state is a woke shithole. Move to Texas or Florida and be reminded of what normalcy is.
xfitm3 5y ago