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L5 in major cities is a bit strange for this, since by definition L5 isn't bound by any restrictions, including geography. Did they mean the ability to take a

by jfim 5y ago

L5 in major cities is a bit strange for this, since by definition L5 isn't bound by any restrictions, including geography. Did they mean the ability to take a ride between two arbitrary points in major cities with no limitations on time of day and weather instead?

yourself92 5y ago
I think the intent is to clarify that the vehicles should be available to the general public, rather than just in some DARPA lab somewhere or something.
Someone1234 5y ago
> L5 in major cities is a bit strange for this, since by definition L5 isn't bound by any restrictions, including geography. I suspect it is just easier to define a "win" that way. L5 on a test track or L5 on a quiet freeway are very different challenges than what most people think of when they think of L5: Driving in downtown [major city] without intervention. L5 driving downtown for an entire day with zero interventions, in a consumer vehicle, is really the gold standard for this tech. You nail that, you're done it.
- tshaddox 5y ago
  It's also just a weird definition in general. I'm a human, and seemingly a competent driver (zero accidents or moving violations), yet there are still regions, specific roads and definitely road conditions where I will say "nope, not gonna try that." Does that mean I am not L5?
  - themacguffinman 5y ago
    Yes actually, I don't think humans are L5. L5 automation is supposed to be the holy grail, it's supposed to be far superior to human driving. Widespread L5 automation is expected to save countless lives every single day.
xondono 5y ago
> Did they mean the ability to take a ride between two arbitrary points in major cities with no limitations on time of day and weather instead? Given that this is what normal people think of when they think “self driving car”, I’d say that’s exactly what they were going for.

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L5 in major cities is a bit strange for this, since by definition L5 isn't bound by any restrictions, including geography. Did they mean the ability to take a

by jfim 5y ago

yourself92 5y ago
I think the intent is to clarify that the vehicles should be available to the general public, rather than just in some DARPA lab somewhere or something.
Someone1234 5y ago
> L5 in major cities is a bit strange for this, since by definition L5 isn't bound by any restrictions, including geography. I suspect it is just easier to define a "win" that way. L5 on a test track or L5 on a quiet freeway are very different challenges than what most people think of when they think of L5: Driving in downtown [major city] without intervention. L5 driving downtown for an entire day with zero interventions, in a consumer vehicle, is really the gold standard for this tech. You nail that, you're done it.
- tshaddox 5y ago
  It's also just a weird definition in general. I'm a human, and seemingly a competent driver (zero accidents or moving violations), yet there are still regions, specific roads and definitely road conditions where I will say "nope, not gonna try that." Does that mean I am not L5?
  - themacguffinman 5y ago
    Yes actually, I don't think humans are L5. L5 automation is supposed to be the holy grail, it's supposed to be far superior to human driving. Widespread L5 automation is expected to save countless lives every single day.
xondono 5y ago
> Did they mean the ability to take a ride between two arbitrary points in major cities with no limitations on time of day and weather instead? Given that this is what normal people think of when they think “self driving car”, I’d say that’s exactly what they were going for.