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Sounds like you don't live in Canada.

by CosmicShadow 5y ago

ketralnis 5y ago
Also sound like they don't live in Botswana. So?
- CosmicShadow 5y ago
  "I've never even experienced -40, or anything close, and neither have most people that I know." I can easily say that most of the people I know haven't not experienced -40, it just depends where you live.
  - SECProto 5y ago
    Vancouver Island&lower mainland, as well as the eastern half of Ontario, southern half of Quebec, all of NB, NS, PE, Newfoundland - none of these places experience -40, and contain give or take 28 of Canada's 38 million people
    - tharkun__ 5y ago
      I wonder what you call the southern half of Quebec. Quebec goes way up north. Southern half of Quebec would exclude almost the entire population of Quebec. But let's assume you meant stuff close to the US and Ontario border vs. Quebec City. I had to find something where Weathernetwork had data and for some reason the border crossing town of Lacolle, which is about as far south as Quebec goes showed no data but Hemmingford is the same height, just a bit to the west: https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/monthly/quebec/hemmingford?year=2022&month=1&dispt=calendar-container-monthly https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/monthly/quebec/hemmingf... Now you are right in that -40 is not a temperature that will be had for a long time, that is relegated to the prairies. It also does not happen every year. It's seldom that it dips that low. But here some close enough for my taste examples: Jan 24: -33.3C Jan 26: -34.1C Jan 27: -34.1C Jan 28: -32.7C Jan 29: -33.1C And then if you look at the Laurentians, which is a popular ski and overall winter destination for the millions of people living in and around Montreal and both of these are basically just going "straight up north" (as in highway direction, not map direction) from Lacolle, these temperatures become more frequent and it's more likely to dip that low more often. And all of these are way south of Quebec City. Climate change is not helping, i.e. more historical data would be better. Weather network doesn't seem to have that. I definitely know more people that have experienced -40C in their life than ones that don't. I have and I do not live in the prairies.
      - SECProto 5y ago
        > I definitely know more people that have experienced -40C in their life than ones that don't. I have and I do not live in the prairies. Yes, the -40 is what I was using for my differentiator. You provided an example of a location that didn't come anywhere close to -40. Pretty much everyone I know complains about it being -40 out, but it never actually is (they're all talking about -30 with a strong windchill). It is particularly egregious to me, as the difference between -30 and -40 is as significant as -15 (standard chilly) and -25 ("ok I hope there's no wind today"). And when it comes to a technical discussion about something like battery temperature, those few degrees matter a lot. > I wonder what you call the southern half of Quebec. Quebec goes way up north. Southern half of Quebec would exclude almost the entire population of Quebec. Yes, I was not being geographically precise - I was mostly referring to the St Lawrence Valley, which contains most of Quebec's population. Obviously Saguenay, etc would have experienced -40. I basically just checked environment Canada's historic records for Montreal, Quebec, and Trois Riviere. It wasn't intended to be terribly precise.
        tharkun__ 5y ago
        Fair enough on the exact temp and like I mentioned, yes it seldom is actually -40C. I've seen it on a thermometer tho and like you say, you really just don't want to be outside. I don't live in that place though, so no idea how often that would happen. Environment Canada is a good one, didn't think of checking that for historical data. Makes sense tho come to think of it. Another thing is the real local conditions vs. actual weather stations. I've seen quite a difference between my thermometers (that all agreed with each other within a degree) vs. what various online sources provided for our location. The next actual weather station where I am is ~15km straight line distance from here for example.
SECProto 5y ago
Most of Canada doesn't live in Canada, if your standard is "months of -30 and lows hitting -40". That's pretty much constrained to the prairies and the territories.

Sounds like you don't live in Canada.

ketralnis 5y ago

Also sound like they don't live in Botswana. So?

CosmicShadow 5y ago
"I've never even experienced -40, or anything close, and neither have most people that I know." I can easily say that most of the people I know haven't not experienced -40, it just depends where you live.
- SECProto 5y ago
  Vancouver Island&lower mainland, as well as the eastern half of Ontario, southern half of Quebec, all of NB, NS, PE, Newfoundland - none of these places experience -40, and contain give or take 28 of Canada's 38 million people
  - tharkun__ 5y ago
    I wonder what you call the southern half of Quebec. Quebec goes way up north. Southern half of Quebec would exclude almost the entire population of Quebec. But let's assume you meant stuff close to the US and Ontario border vs. Quebec City. I had to find something where Weathernetwork had data and for some reason the border crossing town of Lacolle, which is about as far south as Quebec goes showed no data but Hemmingford is the same height, just a bit to the west: https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/monthly/quebec/hemmingford?year=2022&month=1&dispt=calendar-container-monthly https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/monthly/quebec/hemmingf... Now you are right in that -40 is not a temperature that will be had for a long time, that is relegated to the prairies. It also does not happen every year. It's seldom that it dips that low. But here some close enough for my taste examples: Jan 24: -33.3C Jan 26: -34.1C Jan 27: -34.1C Jan 28: -32.7C Jan 29: -33.1C And then if you look at the Laurentians, which is a popular ski and overall winter destination for the millions of people living in and around Montreal and both of these are basically just going "straight up north" (as in highway direction, not map direction) from Lacolle, these temperatures become more frequent and it's more likely to dip that low more often. And all of these are way south of Quebec City. Climate change is not helping, i.e. more historical data would be better. Weather network doesn't seem to have that. I definitely know more people that have experienced -40C in their life than ones that don't. I have and I do not live in the prairies.
    - SECProto 5y ago
      > I definitely know more people that have experienced -40C in their life than ones that don't. I have and I do not live in the prairies. Yes, the -40 is what I was using for my differentiator. You provided an example of a location that didn't come anywhere close to -40. Pretty much everyone I know complains about it being -40 out, but it never actually is (they're all talking about -30 with a strong windchill). It is particularly egregious to me, as the difference between -30 and -40 is as significant as -15 (standard chilly) and -25 ("ok I hope there's no wind today"). And when it comes to a technical discussion about something like battery temperature, those few degrees matter a lot. > I wonder what you call the southern half of Quebec. Quebec goes way up north. Southern half of Quebec would exclude almost the entire population of Quebec. Yes, I was not being geographically precise - I was mostly referring to the St Lawrence Valley, which contains most of Quebec's population. Obviously Saguenay, etc would have experienced -40. I basically just checked environment Canada's historic records for Montreal, Quebec, and Trois Riviere. It wasn't intended to be terribly precise.
      - tharkun__ 5y ago
        Fair enough on the exact temp and like I mentioned, yes it seldom is actually -40C. I've seen it on a thermometer tho and like you say, you really just don't want to be outside. I don't live in that place though, so no idea how often that would happen. Environment Canada is a good one, didn't think of checking that for historical data. Makes sense tho come to think of it. Another thing is the real local conditions vs. actual weather stations. I've seen quite a difference between my thermometers (that all agreed with each other within a degree) vs. what various online sources provided for our location. The next actual weather station where I am is ~15km straight line distance from here for example.

SECProto 5y ago

Most of Canada doesn't live in Canada, if your standard is "months of -30 and lows hitting -40". That's pretty much constrained to the prairies and the territories.