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> Sounds like you own a horse more than a car. If I have to plan my day around waking my horse up, feeding it breakfast, stopping so it can rest at a supercharg

> Sounds like you own a horse more than a car. If I have to plan my day around waking my horse up, feeding it breakfast, stopping so it can rest at a supercharger, arranging my bathroom breaks to suit its needs ... I would rather own a car. This is without a doubt the best take I’ve read on EVs. Certainly they fit many use cases, and certainly they’ll improve to fit more in the future. In the meantime, the hoops that some fans jump through to justify their suitability for tasks at which they’re inadequate are amusing.

cogman10 5y ago
Did you read the article? Barring a few exceptions, most EVs have 88%+ of their range in freezing cold weather. Those EVs also tended to have longer range in general.
- sandworm101 5y ago
  I read the article. A 41% loss when I need to run the heater is totally unacceptable. >> AAA found the loss in driving range could be as high as 41% with the heater on full blast.
  - cogman10 5y ago
    Here's the AAA article in question [1] Notice, that these are all 2018 or older models. Why does that matter? Because battery capacity has increased and newer models have heatpump heaters (which are roughly 4x more efficient). This is the primary difference in range in the opening info-graphic on the page. Why for lower temps some cars only lost 10% of their range while others lost 40%. But further, WHY is 40% range loss "totally unacceptable"? What is acceptable? How do you deal with range loss of ICE from overly hot weather? [1] http://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/files/AAA-Electric-Vehicle-Range-Testing-Report.pdf http://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/files/AAA-Electric-Vehicle...
    - thayne 5y ago
      > Notice, that these are all 2018 or older models I've never bought a car newer than 5 years old. And it looks like the EVs that handle cold better tend to be the more expensive models and brands. So the problem here isn't so much that no EVs work in the cold, as that it reduces the economic feasibility of using an EV for many people. > But further, WHY is 40% range loss "totally unacceptable"? Because EVs often already have smaller ranges to begin with, have fewer charging stations than gas stations, and take longer to charge, and a significant decrease in range exarcerbates those problems, and may make an EV completely impractical in some situations. Hopefully all those things improve in the future.
- landemva 5y ago
  Are there any concerns about cold weather charging?

cogman10 5y ago

Did you read the article? Barring a few exceptions, most EVs have 88%+ of their range in freezing cold weather. Those EVs also tended to have longer range in general.

sandworm101 5y ago
I read the article. A 41% loss when I need to run the heater is totally unacceptable. >> AAA found the loss in driving range could be as high as 41% with the heater on full blast.
- cogman10 5y ago
  Here's the AAA article in question [1] Notice, that these are all 2018 or older models. Why does that matter? Because battery capacity has increased and newer models have heatpump heaters (which are roughly 4x more efficient). This is the primary difference in range in the opening info-graphic on the page. Why for lower temps some cars only lost 10% of their range while others lost 40%. But further, WHY is 40% range loss "totally unacceptable"? What is acceptable? How do you deal with range loss of ICE from overly hot weather? [1] http://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/files/AAA-Electric-Vehicle-Range-Testing-Report.pdf http://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/files/AAA-Electric-Vehicle...
  - thayne 5y ago
    > Notice, that these are all 2018 or older models I've never bought a car newer than 5 years old. And it looks like the EVs that handle cold better tend to be the more expensive models and brands. So the problem here isn't so much that no EVs work in the cold, as that it reduces the economic feasibility of using an EV for many people. > But further, WHY is 40% range loss "totally unacceptable"? Because EVs often already have smaller ranges to begin with, have fewer charging stations than gas stations, and take longer to charge, and a significant decrease in range exarcerbates those problems, and may make an EV completely impractical in some situations. Hopefully all those things improve in the future.
landemva 5y ago
Are there any concerns about cold weather charging?