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> do you think a 16 year veteran of the KGB - a warmonger with a lust for the Soviet Union - and a vendetta against the west for brining it down, with total con

> do you think a 16 year veteran of the KGB - a warmonger with a lust for the Soviet Union - and a vendetta against the west for brining it down, with total control over an enemy state is more likely to or not to be conducting destabilization campaigns in enemy states? I'm sure it was the KGB behind the thousands small amount donations from verifiable United States and Canadian citizens. The Spetnaz are probably behind the bouncy castle and hot tub the protester brought! Look at these dangerous criminals! [0] [1] > Further, you seem to be alluding to American politics, I am not talking about America at all. And yet it’s the same tactics and media spin across the borders. "but this time it really is the Russians! Just trust us..." [0] https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/14/53878649-10480717-image-a-13_1644244948028.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/14/53878649-10480717... [1] https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/17/53885525-10480717-image-a-23_1644254044023.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/17/53885525-10480717...

arcticbull 5y ago
Your sarcasm is as obnoxious as it is irrelevant. Of course the KGB no longer exists - it's the FSB now - I was referring to Putin's work experience. They need not be behind very specific instances to be responsible for sowing discontent in general and fostering division. These are exactly the kinds of operations the KGB carried out during the cold war, and is a core part of Russian military doctrine to this day. [1] The fact is, if you refuse to accept that it's a possibility (even as I accept it may not have been) then the system works doesn't it. The thing is, when it works, people don't realize they have been influenced and they flat out refuse to believe it could have been by a state actor. The only politicians people complain about at work are bad politicians - the good ones already convinced you their idea was right. Ditto here. > And yet it’s the same tactics and media spin across the borders. "but this time it really is the Russians! Just trust us..." What do you mean "this time?" The Russians have never come up in the context of Canadian politics in my recent memory. Not as far as I can recall. Can you, or are you projecting American politics again? You know for all the pictures of bouncy castles, they also built a shack downtown and filled it with diesel and propane [2], were arrested with significant quantities of weapons [3] and also the leadership has ties with white supremacist organizations and white nationalists [4]. They pissed all over national monuments. [5] They stole food from homeless shelters. [6] And they fought people inside the Rideau Centre mall forcing it to close to protect workers. [7] All while blocking international commerce. This is just a choice few selections. Good riddance I say. For the record, 2/3 of Canadians support the Trudeau government's use of the Act, and only 1/3 voted for him - so I'd say that's a heck of a broad base of support. But go on. Tell me more about my people. You're not Canadian, are you? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation#Russian_disinformation_since_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation#Russian_disinfo... [2] https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protesters-build-wooden-structure-in-downtown-ottawa-park-1.5766997 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protesters-build-wooden-structure-... [3] https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-police-arrest-11-batch-weapons-trucker-protest-1679088 https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-police-arrest-11-batch-wea... [4] https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-orga... [5] https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/01/trucker-convoy-protest-urinating-national-monuments-ottawa/ https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/01/trucker-convoy-protest-u... [6] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/convoy-truckers-canada-soup-kitchen-b2003765.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/convoy-tru... [7] https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-trucker-rights-trump-ours-asks-locked-out-rideau-centre-worker https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-trucker-right...
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > These are exactly the kinds of operations the KGB carried out during the cold war, and is a core part of Russian military doctrine to this day. The Canadians feds were also notorious for planting bombs back in the 70’s and try to pin it down on political opponents. > The Russians have never come up in the context of Canadian politics in my recent memory. Not as far as I can recall. Can you, or are you projecting American politics again? Absolutely. 4 years of “the Russians have to be behind this” and nothing happening here in America. And then suddenly we start hearing the same thing from the (liberal) media over there. What a coincidence. Almost as if they tried everything to see what would stick! > You know for all the pictures of bouncy castles, they also built a shack downtown and filled it with diesel and propane How else were they supposed to fuel their trucks? The city could have offered to hook them to the power grid but they preferred the trucker bring fuel apparently. > were arrested with significant quantities of weapons Second amendment & Legal weapons. Notice no crimes were committed using said weapon and they refrained from answering the question whether these were legally owned. > and also the leadership has ties with white supremacist organizations and white nationalists. Are those organizations illegal? Or just not liked by the government and state media? > For the record, 2/3 of Canadians support the Trudeau government's use of the Act They had a vote on it? > But go on. Tell me more about my people. You're not Canadian, are you? No.

arcticbull 5y ago

Your sarcasm is as obnoxious as it is irrelevant. Of course the KGB no longer exists - it's the FSB now - I was referring to Putin's work experience. They need not be behind very specific instances to be responsible for sowing discontent in general and fostering division. These are exactly the kinds of operations the KGB carried out during the cold war, and is a core part of Russian military doctrine to this day. [1] The fact is, if you refuse to accept that it's a possibility (even as I accept it may not have been) then the system works doesn't it. The thing is, when it works, people don't realize they have been influenced and they flat out refuse to believe it could have been by a state actor. The only politicians people complain about at work are bad politicians - the good ones already convinced you their idea was right. Ditto here. > And yet it’s the same tactics and media spin across the borders. "but this time it really is the Russians! Just trust us..." What do you mean "this time?" The Russians have never come up in the context of Canadian politics in my recent memory. Not as far as I can recall. Can you, or are you projecting American politics again? You know for all the pictures of bouncy castles, they also built a shack downtown and filled it with diesel and propane [2], were arrested with significant quantities of weapons [3] and also the leadership has ties with white supremacist organizations and white nationalists [4]. They pissed all over national monuments. [5] They stole food from homeless shelters. [6] And they fought people inside the Rideau Centre mall forcing it to close to protect workers. [7] All while blocking international commerce. This is just a choice few selections. Good riddance I say. For the record, 2/3 of Canadians support the Trudeau government's use of the Act, and only 1/3 voted for him - so I'd say that's a heck of a broad base of support. But go on. Tell me more about my people. You're not Canadian, are you? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation#Russian_disinformation_since_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation#Russian_disinfo... [2] https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protesters-build-wooden-structure-in-downtown-ottawa-park-1.5766997 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protesters-build-wooden-structure-... [3] https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-police-arrest-11-batch-weapons-trucker-protest-1679088 https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-police-arrest-11-batch-wea... [4] https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-orga... [5] https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/01/trucker-convoy-protest-urinating-national-monuments-ottawa/ https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/01/trucker-convoy-protest-u... [6] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/convoy-truckers-canada-soup-kitchen-b2003765.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/convoy-tru... [7] https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-trucker-rights-trump-ours-asks-locked-out-rideau-centre-worker https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-trucker-right...

908B64B197 5y ago
> These are exactly the kinds of operations the KGB carried out during the cold war, and is a core part of Russian military doctrine to this day. The Canadians feds were also notorious for planting bombs back in the 70’s and try to pin it down on political opponents. > The Russians have never come up in the context of Canadian politics in my recent memory. Not as far as I can recall. Can you, or are you projecting American politics again? Absolutely. 4 years of “the Russians have to be behind this” and nothing happening here in America. And then suddenly we start hearing the same thing from the (liberal) media over there. What a coincidence. Almost as if they tried everything to see what would stick! > You know for all the pictures of bouncy castles, they also built a shack downtown and filled it with diesel and propane How else were they supposed to fuel their trucks? The city could have offered to hook them to the power grid but they preferred the trucker bring fuel apparently. > were arrested with significant quantities of weapons Second amendment & Legal weapons. Notice no crimes were committed using said weapon and they refrained from answering the question whether these were legally owned. > and also the leadership has ties with white supremacist organizations and white nationalists. Are those organizations illegal? Or just not liked by the government and state media? > For the record, 2/3 of Canadians support the Trudeau government's use of the Act They had a vote on it? > But go on. Tell me more about my people. You're not Canadian, are you? No.